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#26 FLY_AGAIN_XU-1

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Posted 25 May 2009 - 03:29 PM

L157925 COMPLETED 13-8-70
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Posted 25 May 2009 - 05:07 PM

Put me on the 8/70 list , Rally red , around the 100 mark !

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Posted 25 May 2009 - 06:46 PM

My apologies to fly, you are right, Thats why your the # guru. I must of had too many ports last night.

and LC870 your also correct, your car is # 13 from the adelaide plant.

LC870 do you have any photo,s of your xu1. I would love to see it.

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Posted 26 May 2009 - 05:02 AM

Ah the old 1433 theory..........

The VIN Bible (VIN DISK) tells us there were 700 LC XU-1,s built in 1970, 700 LC XU-1,s built in 1971. Only 1400 in total (NOT 1433).


Fly how do we know for sure the VIN disk is 100% accurate and the 1433 document is not? One or both could contain errors/omissions.

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#30 FLY_AGAIN_XU-1

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Posted 26 May 2009 - 11:26 AM

Apology accepted rat catcher, though dont take me to serious.............




G/Day Don (ck1971)
The VIN DISK is,nt 100% accurate, there are typos. Once the VIN DISK is questioned, then every LC & LJ Torana is questioned. It is quite simply the most valuable bit of information any true LC or LJ enthiusast can get there hands on. The VIN DISC does,nt lie, though there are a couple of typos.

The VIN Bible tells us that Holden built 700 LC XU-1,s in 1970.

Why ?

Under the 1970 C.A.M.S. Series Production Rules a minimum of 700 were required. 200 for Eligibility and 500 for the updates, Baffled diff housing, Baffled fuel tank, 3.08 diff ratio etc etc. The rules that applied in 1970, 1971 & 1972 were basically indentical.

So you see Holden built 700 LC XU-1,s in 1970 because they were required to build 700 LC XU-1,s under the C.A.M.S. Rules. The same happened in 1971, Holden built 700 LC XU-1,s in 1971 because they were required to build 700 LC XU-1,s under the C.A.M.S. Rules. The initial batch of 200 being for Eligibility and the following 500 for homologation purposes.

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H2-2 Eligibility 200 required
1/1E 200 required
1/2E 300 required (Gearbox & Diff ratios required 100 cars per ratio)

700 required 700 built, its that simple..................

Every XU-1 Torana was built for a purpose, you only need to know what purpose your car served

The XU-1 Torana was built to race and if the race teams wanted a new part that may make there car go faster or handle better than Holden were required to build a minimum of 200 units. Its that simple..........

At the end of the day the VIN DISC does,nt lie

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Posted 26 May 2009 - 12:43 PM

Hi all

I fully concur with Fly..

It is hardly a coincidence that we have both arrived at the production number of 1400 precisely for the LC and production numbers that are 'lock-step' with the numbers required for the various homologations in respect of the LJ. In the final analysis (after allowing for a small number of obvious input errors) I believe that the VIN disc is exceedingly accurate. The results should put to rest the inaccurate numbers that have been taken as 'gospel' since the Antoniou book.

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#32 FLY_AGAIN_XU-1

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Posted 26 May 2009 - 02:01 PM

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According to C.A.M.S. this was the last production sheet they recieved from Holden

I had a hard time finding the 200 let alone 210...................






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It was a battle finding 700 1971 LC XU-1,s let alone 733

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Posted 26 May 2009 - 03:22 PM

FLY, when you say cam said thay needed 500 in 1970 for the updates [ baffled diff housing ] in 1970 holden must have lied to cams because the 1970 lc xu1 never had the diff up grade until the 71 bathurst car was released.

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Posted 26 May 2009 - 04:41 PM

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As long as Holden built the cars the race teams got their bits....................

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Posted 26 May 2009 - 05:46 PM

yeh, i ear what your saying fly and im with you 101%, but does it say in the cams paper work that the 1970 lc xu1 had baffled diff housing???

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Posted 26 May 2009 - 07:14 PM

It would be great if there was an xu1 register so we knew how many xu1,s were left out of the roughly 3300

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Posted 26 May 2009 - 07:23 PM

LOL, Ratcatcher!! Here we go again. I'll start. I've got one 10/70 Linamint LC :D

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Posted 26 May 2009 - 08:10 PM

even just the lc would do me,

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Posted 27 May 2009 - 01:10 AM

I've got one 10/70 Linamint LC :D


G/Day Zook

Has your 10/70 got the baffled diff housing or a baffled fuel tank ?

Did any 8/70 XU-1,s recieve the baffled diff housing or baffled fuel tank ?

Did only the 9/70, 10/70 & 11/70 XU-1,s recieve the upgrades ?

Was the 3.08 diff ratio available in 1970 ?

There are still many questions that need to be answered and a whole heap more research on the LC XU-1 needed.

Let the research begin..................... :spoton:

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Posted 27 May 2009 - 07:19 AM

Was the 3.08 diff ratio available in 1970 ?


My 8/70 was fitted with a 3.08 LSD from the factory.

Unsure of the baffled housing and tank.

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Posted 27 May 2009 - 12:41 PM

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This Service Letter is dated 3-9-1970 so any updates would have taken place after this date.
If you look closely you will notice a reference to the 3.08 diff ratio.
Certainly would have come in handy for Bathurst and also would have required a 100 cars to have been fitted with it................

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Posted 27 May 2009 - 03:59 PM

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Posted 27 May 2009 - 06:26 PM

G'day Fly

Original diff long gone but it was a 3.08.

Fuel tank is original and is baffled and does not have the additional baffle support which came later. Had a Bath 71 Car which had that support.

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Posted 27 May 2009 - 07:05 PM

Hi Zook
what stage is your linamint in, are you restoring it ? Got any photo,s

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Posted 27 May 2009 - 07:08 PM

Gong whats going on with your linamint ? is she next for resto ?

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Posted 27 May 2009 - 07:28 PM

mine is nearly completed, just waiting on tank to be repared and motor rebuilt, and then trhe seats.

fly, i have a 8/70 9/70 9/70 and 10/70 and 3 of them cars had there original date matching diff housings in the when i got them but none of them are baffled, and are all 3.36 lsd
i have a 3/71 no baffle
but my 9/71 was baffled, so i dont think the 70 lc xu1 was baffled only seem to start in the 71 bathurst cars.
as fly as asked does anyone own a lx xu1 prior to the release of the 71 bathurst cars with a standad fitting baffled diff housing???

well its got me baffled
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Posted 27 May 2009 - 07:29 PM

tipo, lc not lx

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Posted 28 May 2009 - 10:53 AM

My date coded diff for my 2 month 71 LC XU1 has no baffles and the tank has only the longitudional baffle.

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Posted 28 May 2009 - 06:16 PM

My date coded diff for my 2 month 71 LC XU1 has no baffles

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i have a 8/70 9/70 9/70 and 10/70 and 3 of them cars had there original date matching diff housings in the when i got them but none of them are baffled,

That's an interesting one in light of the 3 Sept 70 Letter. Can you make any more sense of it Fly?

Ratcatcher, my car is on blocks undergoing rust repairs (for full restoration) at the moment. She's a slow process!!

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Posted 28 May 2009 - 06:31 PM

zook, mate there is no sence to be made, the first baffled diff housings where built in the 6 month of 71 along with the first ck batch, motors that is not cars,,,

cheers gong




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