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Fuel Injection On A 186

Started by _kenno_ , Mar 20 2006 11:37 AM

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#26 J-Rod

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Posted 11 April 2006 - 02:02 PM

and im making more power with it than people who have worked fuel injected 202's (101.3rwkW max @ 5800rpm)...

didn't the VK efi make 109 kw standard? and much earlier in the rev range too?

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Posted 11 April 2006 - 03:55 PM

Not at the wheels

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#28 J-Rod

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Posted 11 April 2006 - 04:33 PM

thanks Peter, I had that figure in my head but wasnt 100%

Nice work Keith..

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Posted 11 April 2006 - 05:14 PM

Lol, thanks! But my power figure isnt what im trying to show off, im trying to explain that i did it with a 350 Holley, and people who have worked fuel injected red/black/whatever motors are not getting as much! Not bragging, but merely explaining that the 350 Holley IS good for somethin!!

Now ill take a breather!
Cheers fellas

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#30 _Sammy_

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Posted 11 April 2006 - 07:47 PM

yes you are making that power with a carby, thats the engine more than the carby ... i would almost bet my left nut that efi on your motor would make more power again over the carby too

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#31 _Keithy's_UC_

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Posted 12 April 2006 - 05:50 AM

I wont make that bet - i dont want your left nut!! HAHA

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#32 _Sammy_

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Posted 12 April 2006 - 01:02 PM

LOL ... good point

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#33 _lcgtr_

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Posted 20 April 2006 - 10:49 PM

Is there any way to get efi working on the RED head? Its just that I have 2 of these heads which have had a lot of money spent on them.

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Posted 20 April 2006 - 11:17 PM

Maybe center port injection off an EA falcon? Buy a 2bbl manifold, bolt on the injection carb fit the puter and accesories?

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#35 _Sammy_

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Posted 21 April 2006 - 01:19 PM

if you want to use the read head you might be able to do it with a bit of custom manifold work ... you could use the VK manifold and probably modify the ports to be the right size for your head, or you could adapt a carby manifold to have injectors in it etc ....

put simply, theres no easy way to do it with a red head ....

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#36 _Keithy's_UC_

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Posted 21 April 2006 - 07:42 PM

Would you want to use the red head?? No way. 9ports vs 12ports... You would have power losses compared to the blue/black head! If you can get a blue/black head on your motor - do it! Easy power and less stuffing around!

Keith

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Posted 21 April 2006 - 08:21 PM

if you want to use the read head you might be able to do it with a bit of custom manifold work ... you could use the VK manifold and probably modify the ports to be the right size for your head, or you could adapt a carby manifold to have injectors in it etc ....

put simply, theres no easy way to do it with a red head ....

Multipont on a 9 port head is not a good idea.

Have a read of this if you wanna know why.

It can be done with a sequential injection setup.. but would be very dificult to get right and may cost a small fortune. The other option is to use 3 injectors and keep them a long way from the ports or to use a TBI setup

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Posted 21 April 2006 - 10:16 PM

It would be cheaper to buy a new 12 port head and get that running on injection, rather than trying to get a 9 port head running injection.

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#39 _munro_

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Posted 21 April 2006 - 10:34 PM

just bolt on a set of 150 strombergs and have em tuned
you'll gain heaps of power and use less fuel :spoton:

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#40 _Keithy's_UC_

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Posted 21 April 2006 - 11:33 PM

just bolt on a set of 150 strombergs and have em tuned
you'll gain heaps of power and use less fuel

I'm with you man! Good thinkin that is!

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#41 _lcgtr_

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Posted 22 April 2006 - 02:39 AM

Likw I said the head I have has over $3000 worth of machine and flow work done on it so Im not just guna switch to a blue/black head and doubt if a standard one will flow anything near the head I have. I have read that Simese port problem document before but its the only mention of something like that that I have ever read which is the reason why I re asked the question. Not having that sort of in depth mechanical knowledge on camshafts and timing made my understanding of it limited anyway. Im just sure I have seen it done over the years on other motors. The only thing I have seen that states it is a problem is that document. The Kalmaker website mentions a sequential option on 1 of there upgrades on the Holden computers so that wouldnt be that expensive

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#42 J-Rod

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Posted 22 April 2006 - 09:47 AM

Spend a bit of time google' ing and you'll no doubt find a few people who've tried and failed.

Yes, it i think it could be done with a VS V6 setup and Workshop modules from Kalmaker. If you really want to follow that path, see if you can have a chat with Alan Gibbs at Injection Connection in Perth.

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#43 _lcgtr_

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Posted 30 April 2006 - 12:27 AM

Thanks Mate :spoton:

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#44 _lcgtr_

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Posted 22 June 2006 - 02:13 AM

I just bought the factory holden VP V8 engine supliment as suggested on the Kalmaker site

http://www.kalmaker.com.au/page4.html

It is Delco for dummies. everey thing is explained completly in laymans terms with about 100 or so pages just on diagnostics. If anyone is thinking of getting it , it is worth the money
The plan is Camira computer + wiring with EA throttle body, injectors, pump and reg. Shouldnt cost me more than about $300

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Posted 01 July 2006 - 11:48 AM

Does anyone have photos of these bits and pieces, not only for my personal benefit, but for possible future Tech Article.
(Preferably bare parts, not attached to anything) :-

12 Port head.
VK EFI manifold.
VK EFI fuel rail
VN V6 Throttle Body
VN V6 TPS
2 bar delco MAP Sensor (you can use the VN one in your application)
VN V6 MAT Sensor
VN V6 Oxygen Sensor
VN V6 Coolant Temp Sensor
VK / VL external bosch fuel pump. (Both Low and Hi Pressure Pumps)

Cheers,
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#46 J-Rod

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Posted 01 July 2006 - 04:28 PM

I should be able to find some more photos tomorrow... I'll let you know what i come up with

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#47 _Sammy_

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Posted 03 July 2006 - 06:17 PM

i should be able to help you out with just about all of them grant .... i'll need to get some pics taken first though....

for now you can find some bits here ...

12 Port Head - this is a 12 port head compared to a 9 port head, hope its the angle you want.

VK EFI Manifold

VK EFI fuel rail - have to get one out of the shed i have off the manifold.

VN V6 TB 1 VN V6 TB 2 - these are the best i can do with them at the moment, if you want better i can take one off motor and get angles you want.

VN V6 TPS - as above

2 bar delco MAP Sensor (you can use the VN one in your application) - i only have normal map sensor, not 2 bar

VN V6 MAT Sensor - just got one for my VK manifold the other day, will photo it.

VN V6 Oxygen Sensor - i have vn s1 and vr sensors, i'll photo both.

VN V6 Coolant Temp Sensor - just got one for my VK manifold the other day, will photo it.

VK / VL external bosch fuel pump. (Both Low and Hi Pressure Pumps)can't help you with low pressure pump as VK doesn't have one, but i have high pressure one i can photo for you.