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[eyepeeler]

I was reading the post on the Aquarius Hatch Price Check and Niterida put forward an oppinion that ruffles feathers. His oppinion was, that a 30yr old car is just that, and take the emotion out of the equation and it should be worth bugger all. It got me thinking though, why is the SS worth more to people than the SL Hatch. Besides all cosmetic differences there is nothing between the two models. When the Torana ended and the Commodore came in an SL was a base model, the SL/X mid range, and the SL/E top of range. The "SS" model came in later as a Brock modified car. So do people with years of having the "SS" model Commodore the one to have just take that to the Torana and say that a 6Cyl SS must be worth more than a 6Cyl SL. After all the SL was a Super Luxury model, not a base model like in the Commodore. That is why I think Niterida has a point with Emotion vs Values of a car. Would love to hear what other people think of why an SS 6 Cyl is worth more than the SL 6Cyl.......

Cheers,
Craig

[TerrA LX]

Firstly Commodore base model was L, Torana base model was S???

SS Torana came with sports gauge fascia, Silver dash, colour coded bars, sports mirrors etc etc and did not have those ugly SL badges on it.

Edited by TerrA LX, 20 December 2009 - 10:20 PM.

[eyepeeler]

Firstly Commodore base model was L, Torana base model was S???

SS Torana came with sports gauge fascia, Silver dash, colour coded bars, sports mirrors etc etc and did not have those ugly SL badges on it.

Ok so there was a "L" model Commodre, you missed the point on the the reference to the Commodore. As I said, apart from asthetics there was no difference. I was only talking about Hatchback Torana's, that was SL and SS, and you prove my point anyway with a emotional response as to why you would pay more for a SS...... You hate the "Ugly" SL badges.

[TerrA LX]

and you prove my point anyway with a emotional response as to why you would pay more for a SS...... You hate the "Ugly" SL badges.

Ha ha ha, If only you knew.
But yeah, there is only cosmetic differences between them AFAIK but these are what separates them value wise, like it or not.

So the SS is rarer and looks better so that will help push the prices up.

IMO the rarest would be a 5.0L SL hatch.

[TerrA LX]

So the SS should realy only have a small price premium over an SL to cover the extra trim bits - maybe $500-1000 ??

I think $3000 - $5000 is closer to the mark.

[GML-31]

gauge your price off new commodores...



Price Guide
2009 Holden Commodore International VE $33,990*



Price Guide
2009 Holden Commodore SS VE $49,790*


so even with new models the price difference is nearly 50% more and take into consideration there is a lot less SS Toranas around these days.

[eyepeeler]

gauge your price off new commodores...



Price Guide
2009 Holden Commodore International VE $33,990*



Price Guide
2009 Holden Commodore SS VE $49,790*


so even with new models the price difference is nearly 50% more and take into consideration there is a lot less SS Toranas around these days.

Is the Commodore International a V8 with all the same running gear, same suspension etc as the SS, not including cosmetics. If the two are the same except cosmetics then point taken. Yep there are less SS Hatches around with more wanting them, higher prices....... I just want to know why they want to pay more for map pockets, stripes and sports dash. Would that be worth 50% more to anyone out there???
Paricularly for a 6Cyl SS. Not the 5Ltr.

Edited by eyepeeler, 21 December 2009 - 12:06 AM.

[TerrA LX]

gauge your price off new commodores...
Price Guide
2009 Holden Commodore International VE $33,990*
Price Guide
2009 Holden Commodore SS VE $49,790*
so even with new models the price difference is nearly 50% more and take into consideration there is a lot less SS Toranas around these days.

Are you not comparing 6's to 8's?

Maybe compare the Berlina to the SV6?

[GML-31]

more so I was reflecting the price of the hatch that started the debate

[76lxhatch]

I thought there were some more practical differences?

How many 308 SL hatches are there? Perhaps these are almost rarer than 308 SS and thus fetch higher prices than conversions?

A tach is more than cosmetic

Were the dual brake boosters available on lesser models?

Didn't the SS and SL/R get slightly wider wheels?

[ToRunYa]

the SS will always be worth more than the SL, Same as a A9X will always be worth more than a SS but the fact is, there cant be that many hatches left so even though mine isnt even worth as much as an SL being a SUNBUDGIE, ill quite happily hold the car till im old and trade it in on my winniebago!

Edited by ToRunYa, 21 December 2009 - 06:41 AM.

[MRLXSS]

SL's are better for modifying the crap out of! SS's are better investments!

[dattoman]

I can just see Em as a grey nomad

[wot179]

I can just see Em as a grey nomad

Blue rinse and a zimmerframe with a built in cruiser holder.hehe.

[MRLXSS]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

[Heath]

To answer the original question, it's just like any 'top model'. If you were growing up in a community in the 60s or 70s, I dare say a lot of people might buy brown or cream Falcon 500s, but there would be just a small handful of people with bright red or bright blue GT Falcons that were loud & lary and fast, everyone wanted one. Look at the relative price difference between a Falcon 500 (new and then now) and a Falcon GT (new and then now)

Why replicas aren't the biggest thing since sliced bread, I don't know.

And because that situation doesn't really happen any more (i.e. most of the good top model cars are owned by people who don't drive them), and everything else on the road is just pure shit, well that's probably the reason I don't really feel a massive attraction to boring old original cars - unlike the older generation, I've never seen a time when there was nothing better than a standard A9X OOTB.

[ToRunYa]

I can just see Em as a grey nomad

Blue rinse and a zimmerframe with a built in cruiser holder.hehe.

...its on order.

[MRLXSS]

Heath ,I don't know how you can put all the older generation in one basket , and assume you know what they think, standard A9X's don't do it for all the older generation .

HAHA! The older generation puts us younger guys into one basket! We're all alcoholic thugs, who do burnouts everywhere, and can't save a cent cos we buy too many iPods! LOL

[mitchg]

Ummmm your saying thats not us Matt?

[yel327]

I think the answer to this whole debate is that the SS and SL/R were always the desirable "sports" oriented luxury level, probably followed on from the GTR. An SL was the family hack version. The LX SS is very much an orphan too in GMH history, so it stands out like a sore thumb. An SS is really a performance 4 door and is really what GMH should have (and AFAIK intended to) called the 4-door HQ-HZ GTS's, they even started out that was with the HQ SS. The theme continued in VH and migrated to utes also in VSIII, and is still around today as the premium 4 door (and ute) performance GMH vehicle. As to why a modified 6cyl SS is worth more than a modified 4.2L SL - I agree with others - that is possibly silly but it is reality. I can understand why an original SS 6cyl is worth more than an original V8 SL though. The same reason why an original 6cyl HQ Sandman is worth more than a V8 non-Sandman, or a 253 HZ GTS is worth more than a 308 Premier. Or a 6cyl HQ LS Monaro is worth more than a 350 Statesman. Supply and demand.

[MRLXSS]

Heath ,I don't know how you can put all the older generation in one basket , and assume you know what they think, standard A9X's don't do it for all the older generation .

HAHA! The older generation puts us younger guys into one basket! We're all alcoholic thugs, who do burnouts everywhere, and can't save a cent cos we buy too many iPods! LOL

But we have had years of experience ,to make that decision ! LOL

LMAO! Good call! HAHA!