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[TerrA LX]

He does not own a hatchback, that's for sure.

[enderwigginau]

there is a away around everything and by law they cant do anthing about it.

Yes, yes they can.
They own the design/imagery and you CANNOT use it without permission.
The original stickers from here were "paid for" by a donation from Holden in lieu of permission, but we COULD NOT sell them and profit from the image. They had to be given away, but permission was still required.

Every company has a legal right to protect their commercial image.
I do think Rare Spare needs to spend time to ponder acceptable usage of Holden logos by third party manufacturers for products they cannot or will not produce. At the least it would be fair to assume that certain things like wheel trim centres should be either allowed or made by Rares for provision to third party manufacturers for use (at a acceptable rate).

I fear that the "negotiations" that have occured in the past, unfortunately aimed at the most beneficial outcome for Rares may continue.
David, this forum, many of it's members and motoring enthusiasts across the country will always continue to support Rare Spares. We are the life blood of your business, and we have been very fortunate that through Les and Leith we have had the opportunity to have an affect on the quality of parts produced.
I do hope you can similarly support we the product buying public to ensure that we are able to source all the parts we need to the standard we expect, the standard that you yourself promote Rare Spares to provide.

I also hope that the public is not disadvantaged by the restrictions placed around third party manufacturers who, by and large, cannot have any effect on the sales of your business.

I used to produce clear LH/X indicator lenses - until an "accident" at a Rares manufacturer produced 200 sets in clear.........if you are unaware, perhaps you should enquire how you change over from coloured polymer to clear.........
I am not the only one who has been disadvantaged, and I was running at a loss to provide product for people here.
And after rares produced them, at least two other manufacturers decided to compete seeing the price point rise.

The only outcome reasonable from all this, is acceptable product and everything that the restorer could want, regardless of commercial issues.
The ONLY winner should be the enduser.

Grant..

PS. One complaint from a user here equals one less "endorsed" product on your list in every members mind.

[Tiny]

I was lucky enough to be invited to attend this media release on behalf of GMH-Torana.com.au by the staff at Rare Spares to witness this occasion first hand.

I was able to do so, and I am very glad I did. It was a wonderful event, I was privileged to meet many people from the upper echelons of the motoring and restoration industry, along with other enthusiast organisations and of course the wonderful Holden staff and new general Manager who stopped by for a look see.

All in all it was a great event, and having some time to speak directly with the management staff at Rare Spares, I was able to gain an insight in to their intentions for the future.
I was kindly taken to see a Hatchback that had a new door rubber fitted to witness first hand whether it indeed fitted and functioned correctly or not.
I am able to say that the car is actually the car owned by a member here sold a few years back, owned by a person it turns out I actually knew. The seal fitted spot on, and seemed to be suffering no deformation or deterioration after being on the car a week + (I was told). There was certainly no stretching or warping of this seal compared to some shown in another thread. I was able to open and close the door with no excessive force and found everything to work well for the repeated openings i gave it. I honestly cant fault this seal and installation.

Speaking with RSP management as an enthusiast It was clear to me they do have a good philosophy in relation to the service they provide, being very keen to receive constructive criticism and compliments alike, and they do try and resolve all problems to the customer's satisfaction wherever possible.
Please also remember that the shop you go in to to purchase Rare Spares merchandise is a RESELLER or DISTRIBUTOR of Rare Spares components and not Rare Spares themselves. I Urge you if you have a problem that cannot be resolved at that retail level, to contact Rare Spares head office and speak with them directly about the concern you have and see what kind of resolution can be achieved.

As has been discussed, This is an industry in which Rare Spares has been operating for almost 35 years, and Rare Spares have donated a great deal back to the community in this time, and for this they must be commended.
I feel that this partnership with Holden will be beneficial for us as enthusiasts and I'm sure that Rare Spares and other manufacturers of components for our beloved vehicles will be able to work together in some way in the future to bring high quality and much needed parts to the end users.

Cheers
Tiny.

[dattoman]

For most material, copyright lasts for 70 years after the end of the year of the creator’s death, or 70 years from the end of the year the material was first made public. Material protected for 70 years after first publication includes works first published anonymously or under a pseudonym (where the author cannot be identified), works first published after the creator’s death, recorded sounds, and films made since 1 May 1969. There are shorter periods of protection (50 years from making or 50 years from first publication) for material made for, or first published by, a Commonwealth or State government department or agency.

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Infringement
If a logo is protected by copyright, it will usually be an infringement to reproduce it without permission from the
copyright owner. If the logo is very simple, there may be no infringement if the logo is not copied exactly.
Generally, however, reproducing part of a work without permission – even a small part – infringes copyright if it
is an important or recognisable part.
There is, however, an exception regarding the incidental filming of an artistic work. If an artistic work, such as a
logo, is included in a film but is merely “incidental” to the main focus, this will not be an infringement under
Australian law. For example, filming of a logo may be “incidental” in circumstances where it is on a wall in the
background as characters walk past. A recent case (Thompson v Eagle Boys Dial-a-Pizza) has suggested (but not
decided) that filming artwork may be incidental even where the artwork has been included deliberately.
Making changes to a logo does not overcome infringement
Note that there is no rule in copyright law that permits reproduction of a logo if a percentage of it is changed, or
if a certain number of alterations are made. If you can put the two logos side by side and identify important
parts from the original that have been copied, it is likely that an important part of the original has been
reproduced.
For example, the "Aussie Home Loans" logo consisting of three rectangles on top of each other, incorporating the
three words and topped by a triangle, to represent a house was found to be protected by copyright as an artistic
work. Copyright in this work was held to have been infringed by a rival company using a similar logo in which the
word "loans" was replaced by "builders". A number of other changes had been made, including the addition of a
chimney and changes to the font, proportions of the triangles and shading, but the court had no difficulty in
finding that the overall appearance of the two logos was so similar that infringement had taken place.

[boomfunk]

Business is business and people listen when money talks..

alot of aspects of say for instance replacement rust repair section.. say c pillars for hatchbacks example will they go in the list of genuine replacement?, because you cant use them they way they are .. people buy them to cut up and use bits off.. they arent a direct replacement as they are the wrong shape

We all need to buy our parts from somewhere its that simple, the products need to be better, not just flogem off and worry about it later.


Its all nice to have big functions and combine big business.. gm in this case ..and have media days talking up what will happen and what your visions are for the future but we need products now that fit 100% of the time.

Yes keeping everyone happy is hard to do, we are a patient lot in the torana family, and yes some people cant be made happy, but i no most are happy if they buy something and it fits with little or no mods, if you guys can do that then people will no where to buy

[MRLXSS]

I was lucky enough to be invited to attend this media release on behalf of GMH-Torana.com.au by the staff at Rare Spares to witness this occasion first hand.

I was able to do so, and I am very glad I did. It was a wonderful event, I was privileged to meet many people from the upper echelons of the motoring and restoration industry, along with other enthusiast organisations and of course the wonderful Holden staff and new general Manager who stopped by for a look see.

Sweet... I take it I'm one of the people from the upper Echelons then!

I agree, with what you said Tiny. The restorers are the real winners in this deal. It means that parts are more available than ever. I am also really excited to see Holden getting behind the restoration of their cars.

To see the new MD of Holden Mike Devereux get on his belly, in his suit and check out the underside of the FX was a site to see. This guy is going to be good for Holden. He really loved it!

Exciting times ahead i reckon!

[Mort]

Not knowing what is involved in makeing the tooling(molds,dies,etc) to make body panels, replacement parts/panels, etc or the cost involved why can't Holden and Rare Spares get together purchase a desent Torana shell and use it to copy the panels/parts we need, at least they would have a better chance at getting it right.



Mort

[S pack]

Not knowing what is involved in makeing the tooling(molds,dies,etc) to make body panels, replacement parts/panels, etc or the cost involved why can't Holden and Rare Spares get together purchase a desent Torana shell and use it to copy the panels/parts we need, at least they would have a better chance at getting it right.



Mort

Try approx $100k to $200k to make the tooling for a front fender (mudguard). Why would a company that wants to sell you new vehicles want to invest millions of dollars that they probably don't have to spare, remanufacturing parts for their older models that up until now they didn't really give a damn about?

[eyepeeler]

its all ready been done by someone else at the moment. a complete hatch back has been sent over.

sent over where? are you expecting to have a repo hatchback like the US 60's mustangs and Camaro's?

[Mort]

Dave, if knew what the cost involved was (Quote"Not knowing what is involved in makeing the tooling(molds,dies,etc) to make body panels, replacement parts/panels, etc or the cost involved" Unquote ) i wouldn't have asked the question.


Mort