
Warning - Dodgy ebay Torana
#26
_judgelj_
Posted 19 October 2010 - 05:14 PM
pitty she is involved in fraudulent activities.
i would have pursued her if i wasn't so put off by her criminal ways
#27
_Bart15_
Posted 19 October 2010 - 05:16 PM
Just dont send any personal details. Feel free to ask any questions you have about the Hatchback.
Edited by Bart15, 19 October 2010 - 05:22 PM.
#28
_Mike73_
Posted 19 October 2010 - 06:31 PM
Seems to be a few rumours about this one!
Mike
#29
_Skapinad_
Posted 19 October 2010 - 06:47 PM
As for the mustard mike, I am yet to see any concrete evidence, but from all accounts is a rebody ? Seems more and more common lately, couple of threads gone due to rumors !
#30
_judgelj_
Posted 19 October 2010 - 07:04 PM
Gotta stop wasting ur time guys.... Anyone who falls for this shit deserves to be burnt !!
As for the mustard mike, I am yet to see any concrete evidence, but from all accounts is a rebody ? Seems more and more common lately, couple of threads gone due to rumors !
i wouldn't say some old bloke who is getting his 11 year old son to search ebay for him coz he cant use a computer is the type of person who deserves to be burnt.
the sad part is is that the people that seem to fall for the scams are unlike us, and really computer illiterate. pitty ebay doesnt do more about it. its quite clearly a syndicate because they use the same body of text for heaps of different messages and they operate on almost all online classifieds
#31
_rob350hatch_
Posted 19 October 2010 - 07:17 PM
is that a brock lada?I wonder if she would swap for a KGB Group A Uri Chuckinov Enhanced Lada Niva? I've got one I have been keeping under wraps for a special occasion.
maybe we could send magnum pi instead lol
Edited by rob350hatch, 19 October 2010 - 07:20 PM.
#32
_Quagmire_
Posted 19 October 2010 - 07:22 PM
Gotta stop wasting ur time guys.... Anyone who falls for this shit deserves to be burnt !!
As for the mustard mike, I am yet to see any concrete evidence, but from all accounts is a rebody ? Seems more and more common lately, couple of threads gone due to rumors !
i wouldn't say some old bloke who is getting his 11 year old son to search ebay for him coz he cant use a computer is the type of person who deserves to be burnt.
the sad part is is that the people that seem to fall for the scams are unlike us, and really computer illiterate. pitty ebay doesnt do more about it. its quite clearly a syndicate because they use the same body of text for heaps of different messages and they operate on almost all online classifieds

#33
_Skapinad_
Posted 19 October 2010 - 08:05 PM
#34
Posted 19 October 2010 - 08:30 PM
Hello there and thanks for your interest,
The car is in perfect working condition, with no scratches, no rust or damage.It was always garaged and never been smoked in.The interior is very clean and the title is clear, no liens or loans.The price is $7,200 with shipping/handling included and it's not negotiable.The car is registered in Australia on my name and address but currently I am located in London, UK because I just finished the divorce with my husband and i have moved here to my parents home.In order to make this a successful deal we will use eBay.
Here are some info about my car:
Doors: 2 doors Engine: 5 litre
Transmission: Manual Fuel Type: Petrol
VIN: J512603 Year: 1976
Here are some pics for you:
http://i47.tinypic.com/27y36nq.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/2hwe79e.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/15ecmtk.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/5np5vr.jpg
http://i46.tinypic.com/xpzoyx.jpg
I would like to know from the begining if you are really interested in purchase, so i can stop negotiating with potential buyers.
If you have any further question please do not hesitate to ask.
Thank you, Audrey
Thanks Audrey
Great looking car
So is it here in Australia or is it with you in UK ?
Just factoring in getting a look or time to get it here
Regards
Hello again.
I would like to thank you for your interest in buying my car and also to clear some things first of all.
The car is located in Melbourne VIC sealed and ready for shipping. I have a contract with eBay so this deal must go through them.
According with eBay you have 5 days from the time you receive the car to inspect it and decide if you want to keep it or not.
Here is how it will work:
I will need the following details from you: full name(and i need your real name because i will use it for the transfer of the title), full shipping address(where you want to receive the car).After I will receive the details from you, I will forward them to eBay. After they will process your info, they will send us both invoices. The invoice will send you the details on how to make a refundable payment.eBay will contact me and I will ship the car to you. After you receive the car you will have 5 days to test, verify and do whatever you want with the car.The final decision to buy it or not will be after the 5 days with the car at your home.If you find the car unsatisfactory at the end of the 5 days inspection period, you have the option to return it to me at my expense(i am sure it's not the case)
The car will be sent with all the papers and documents required for registration(clear title,bills of sale,car's manual,2x keys,etc).
Therefore, if you are determined in buying the car, please send me an email with your full name and full shipping address to start the transaction.
Cheers Audrey
#35
_Quagmire_
Posted 19 October 2010 - 08:38 PM
Wow, pretty far out example giving ur grandson ur bank details.... Here ya go sonny grab me a bargain ! As if alarm bells don't start ringing with bullshit emails like those..... Still say it's deserved..
your a hard man skap
not every one is as cynical as you
and that's what they hope for
#36
Posted 19 October 2010 - 08:44 PM
My guess is no, so that the crims can place more ads again and fill ebays coffers.
This really should be reported to the federal police and pursued with sting operations, etc.
It reminds me of the bad old days of the mobile phone, if yours was stolen Telstra would not put a block on the IMEI no. (Remember to save yours in a safe place in case of theft). Telstra knew the criminals would spend your money on international calls and this was big money for Telstra.
Scum the whole lot of them!
s
#37
_Quagmire_
Posted 20 October 2010 - 02:04 AM
well done

the federal police are reactive on scams not pro active as they should be
some thing about red tape and the fact most operate overseas and cause juristiction problems
they did get one in brissie but

#38
_judgelj_
Posted 20 October 2010 - 07:50 AM
#39
Posted 20 October 2010 - 07:56 AM
its a bloody organised crime syndicate
Now, now, that's no way to speak about Telstra.
s
#40
_Big T_
Posted 20 October 2010 - 08:41 AM

I wonder why my friend Jessica pulled the L31 out of the SS and chucked in an L32? Must have done her homework and decided to restore it to factory specs? Good to see she did the right thing and dropped the price accordingly.
Got my ebay invoice... so excited !! I will wire the cash of via Western Union today. Everything I've read on the net says not to do this but hey, Ive got a good feeling about this.
The invoice has been sent by [email protected] on behalf of eBay [[email protected]]. Ebay must be really busy as it looks like they are outsourcing now. I dont have anything to worry about though as the invoice says ebay has got me covered with buyer protection. Phew, that puts my mind at rest.
Cut and paster of invoice below
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eBay sent this message to Tony Nortonrose.
Your registered name is included to show this message originated from eBay.
Your invoice for eBay Motors purchase - 1976 LX SS Torana Hatchback
Invoice for EBP Transaction Case ID EBP1019-0244 between Jessica Anderson, as the Seller and Tony Nortonrose, as the Buyer.
Please follow our instructions to complete the transaction safely.
eBay's got you covered. Your purchases are now covered by eBay Buyer Protection program.
Seller:
Name: Jessica Anderson
Address: Via Grimaldi Francesco, 14
Rome, 00146
Italy
Buyer:
Name: Tony Nortonrose
Address: 14 High Rd.
Burpengary QLD 4505
Australia
Transaction Details:
Case ID: EBP1019-0244
Date: Tuesday, 19 October, 2010
Status: Payment pending
*Note: Payment must be made within the next 48 hours.
Item: 1976 LX SS Torana Hatchback
Quantity sold: 1
Price: AU $6,900,00
Inspection Inspected
Insurance: YES
Shipping: Tracking # will be provided by seller after payment.
________________________________________
Shipping to*: Tony Nortonrose
14 High Rd.
Burpengary QLD 4505
Australia
*Please check the details for an accurate delivery in order to avoid delays.
Payment must be submitted via Western Union Money Transfer to an eBay Financing Center Agent in charge of this transaction. The eBay Financing Center Agent will secure the payment until the Buyer receives, inspects and accepts the vehicle. Or, if it will be the case, the Agent will refund the payment to the Buyer.
eBay Financing Center Agent*:
First Name: William
Last Name: Henderson
Address: Piazza Campo De' Fiori, 8
City: Rome
Zip: 00186
Country: Italy
The Western Union Money Transfer will be sent using this name and address.
Payment:
Invoice #6387384368
Subtotal: AU $6,900.00
Shipping: AU $0.00
Sales Tax: AU $0.00
Deposit: AU $0.00
________________________________________
Remaining Balance: AU 0.00
How to make the payment
1. Find the nearest Western Union office:
2. Send the payment using eBay Financing Center Agent's name and address (found below) as payment details:
First Name: William
Last Name: Henderson
Address: Piazza Campo De' Fiori, 8
City: Rome
Zip: 00186
Country: Italy
3. Reply us the following details from the payment receipt:
- MTCN Number (Money Transfer Control Number)
- Sender Name and Address
- Receiver Name
- Amount
4. Fax the Western Union payment receipt to eBay Financing Center Department at:
+39 1997 070739011
We strongly recommend that you confirm the payment by email and fax.
Important Notice
For security reasons please DO NOT release the payment details to the Seller or any other unauthorized person.
* All the transaction details, payment and personal information are confidential and will not be released under any circumstances.
* eBay Buyer Protection program security measures are constantly reviewed and modified given evolving circumstances globally.
* Our main and constant priority is the safety of our customers.
* When payment is received, it will be verified and secured into a non-interest bearing trust account. Payment verification process usually takes less than 24 hours. After payment is secured, the Seller is authorized to ship the vehicle. The Seller has 24 hours to send the Buyer and eBay Motors Customer Support the tracking number of the shipment. If no tracking number is provided, a full refund is immediately sent to the Buyer.
* The Buyer receives the vehicle and has 5 business days to inspect it. If it is complete and as described, the Buyer should accept the vehicle. If he refuses the vehicle, the Buyer must ship the vehicle back to the Seller within 5 business days.
* After the inspection period is over, the Buyer must contact eBay Financing Center Customer Support with the result of the inspection. If the Buyer refuses the vehicle, the refund will be sent to the Buyer after the tracking number for the returned shipment is verified. If the vehicle is accepted, eBay Financing Center Department submits the payment directly to the Seller within 3 business days.
Help
For any questions please contact eBay Customer Support.
Thank you,
eBay Financing Center Customer Support
eBay Buyer Protection Program
Copyright � 1995-2010 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. Designated trademarks and brands are the property of their respective owners. Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of the eBay User Agreement and Privacy Policy.
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Message from ebay customer support once again sent by the outsourced staff. They are very efficient.
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eBay sent this message to Tony Nortonrose.
Your registered name is included to show this message originated from eBay.
Message from eBay Customer Support
Item Description: 1976 LX SS Torana Hatchback
Case ID: EBP1019-0244
Hello Tony Nortonrose,
Please tell us if you have received the invoice for payment. We want to inform you that Case ID: EBP1019-0244 is qualified for eBay Buyer Protection coverage, and it's covered for 45 days from the date of transfer. The payment for 1976 LX SS Torana Hatchback is pending on your name within next 48 hours. If we don't receive an answer from you, your invoice will automatically be cancelled and the next client interested in buying that we have on file will be notified that the car is available for sale.
Regarding the payment you have to follow the instructions found on the invoice for payment. Once we receive the email and fax from you that will include the payment details as explained above, we will instruct the seller to start the shipping process. You will receive further details regarding the shipping process (courier information, tracking method, expected delivery date) after the payment confirmation.
*NOTE It may occur that your e-mail doesn't support HTML language and that is why you haven't received the invoice from us or you cannot see the pictures. Please check your bulk/junk/spam/ messages, the invoice may have ended there because of the ever increasing filters of the e-mails nowadays.
This is eBay Customer Support, if you have any questions please reply.
Regards,
eBay Trust & Safety team
eBay Buyer Protection Program
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And finally a message from Jess just making sure everything is in order. I wish more ebay sellers were as dilligent as she is. I will be leaving A+++++++++ feedback for communication thats for sure.
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Hi,
eBay informed me that they have sent you the invoice for payment. Just wanted to be sure, that you received it and if you understood how to make the payment, and how to confirm it. You have 48 hours to transfer the funds. I will wait for eBay to confirm the deposit in order to start the shipping process.
You will take over ownership at delivery, you will sign the papers of the car and transfer it on your name. Please let me know when you can make the payment so i can start making all the necessary arrangements for the shipping.
Thank you
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Please note. Obviously I know this is scam. Just posting the info up here so that others know what methods these delightful people employ to fleece a few bob from unsuspecting folk.
#41
Posted 20 October 2010 - 01:38 PM

How much do you plan to let them whine until you forward these details to the AFP?
Grant..
#42
_G-Train_
Posted 20 October 2010 - 03:14 PM
I havnt had a reply from Jess (I feel I can call her that as we have established quite a rapport), so I sent her another one this time with me personal details as she requested.
My reply:
Hi Jessica,
I havnt had a reply yet and I am very anxious to find out perpendiculary what the afore said signature post-mohoginistic replication states?
You see to cut a long story short my great uncle Herbert Michael Akiyo Wilson-Johnston worked at the Boronia Lakes Holden Plant way back in 1975 and aside from his normal job of vacuuming metal filings from the trajectory drill and saginaw lathe he used to assemble the glove bocx locks. Can you believe that !! My great uncle made to locks that go on the glove box that go on the console that go on the Torana that goes on the road and right into a shipping containing in Sydney or Perth or something and then back to my house in Devonshire Tea Gardens in Queensland. When I saw that signature I thought of a story my great uncle told me. Well, to cut a long story short, one day back in January 1976 uncle Herbert Michael Akiyo Wilson-Johnston was clearing away metal filings as he did in the plant and wouldn�t you know it but none other than Johnson Lowndes walks into the factory with a tray full of lamingtons and a smile from ear to ear. "Look what Shirley from the cafeteria has whipped up for us boys" he exclaimed in his gruff Northern Plains accent. Well, the boys went bananas because Shirleys lamingtons were famous from the Black Stump to Jim Craigs Hut high on the Snowy Mountains where the wild brumbies roam. Some say the colt from Old Regret is still up there but others are not so sure. I am sure you are familiar with the story as old man Harrison had a daughter named Jessica. Anyway, I digress. So there he was, covered in lathe scrap and scoffing down a lamington when the foreman approached him and said, and I kid you not " Herbert Michael Akiyo Wilson-Johnston, I have a job for you son. I am promoting you to chief lock assembly officer. See this here White 1976 LX SS Hatchback, I want you to assemble that there lock and on that there glovebox and as sign of your pride and commitment to the General, please sign your name on the top left handside of the glovebox lid".
So, there you go. That is why I need to know whose signature is on that glovebox because if it is great uncle Herbert Michael Akiyo Wilson-Johnston's I will buy the car.
Oh, and by the way, my details are as follows:
Tony Nortonrose
14 High St
Deception Bay QLD 4508
Hahaha, Pure Gold!
#43
_Big T_
Posted 20 October 2010 - 03:40 PM
Hahaha, Call Western Union and see if they can make you up a dummy receipt
Grant..

#44
_The Baron_
Posted 20 October 2010 - 04:24 PM
With your wit, you should have a job writing scripts for Australian Top Gear.
#45
_hutch_
Posted 20 October 2010 - 07:18 PM
#46
_Big T_
Posted 21 October 2010 - 06:57 PM

Ok, deal is done. I have scanned and emailed the "receipt" to ebay and advised Jess of this. Wont be long until I recieve an abusive email from her demanding to know why I am stuffing her around.
Below is the email chain from the past day or so starting with the most recent correspondence. I will de-block so it is easier to read. Warning - contains a lot of my waffling on

Please let me know after you send it.
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Standfield, Tony <[email protected]> wrote:
No worries, I will send it to them shortly.
From: Jessica Anderson [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 06:37 PM
To: Standfield, Tony
Subject: Re: 1976 LX SS Torana Hatchback
I just asked eBay about your payment and they said that you need to send them a copy of the payment receipt also because they can't verify your transfer with the data provided.
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Jessica Anderson <[email protected]> wrote:
No problem, i enjoy you story. You need to send the receipt today because they need it for verification. I will not be able to start the shipping withouth eBay's approval.
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Standfield, Tony <[email protected]> wrote:
Sorry, I tend to waffle on a bit :-)
I will scan and send the receipt tomorrow.
Cheers,
Tony
From: Jessica Anderson [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 06:14 PM
To: Standfield, Tony
Subject: Re: 1976 LX SS Torana Hatchback
Every time i receive an email from you i need more than 10 minutes to read it

Thank you, Jessica
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Standfield, Tony <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Jess,
Thank you for accepting my purchase of the Torana. I am so excited !!! I received the invoice from ebay today and I am in the process of getting the money together to buy it. I have had to pull a few strings but I should be fine. If I ever get found out by my soon to be fianc� I will toast though I can tell ya that. You see I bought her an engagement ring about a month ago and Ive been waiting for the right time to pop the question. I was going to write �Bernice My Love, Will You Marry Me?� in the sand at Coochiemudlo Island but what with the heavy rains and all we have been having in Brissie this last fortnight it has washed a heap of gunk into the Brissie River and all that gunk is now floating around Moreton Bay like a tadpole in coke can. I cant find a square cubit of silicone granules anywhere that isn�t covered in half chewed double pluggers, broken eucalypts or faded coles express plastic bags (and they reckon they are bio-degenerational�.much). So yeah, I have put the engagement off for a little while which means I have a ring without a finger. So off to Cash Convertors I went and managed to get some decent coin for it. I will buy another one later but maybe not as big and this other person on ebay says they have real genuine manufactured diamonds that are not cubic dyslexia so they must be good. I just don�t want one of them blood diamonds but.
I also spoke to my finance advisor and told him about this Torana. He says it�s a great deal because muscle car sales will go thru the flippin roof soon after we all recover from the GFC. I know mum is still recovering from the GFC because is a massive Cats supporter. Who do you barrack for. So yeah, my finance advisor, Brian, says he will sell some of my Telstra shares so I can get some more money for the Torana. But this is the best bit�� I spoke to Uncle Herbert today. Well didn�t he just go fruit loops when I told him the Torana he signed way back in 1976 is for sale and I will be buying it. He says to me �Tone, your pullin me flaming leg arnt ya boy� I says �nah Uncle Herb, �tis fair bloody dinkum mate. This sheila says it even has your signature still on the glovebox�. �Well stone the crows and call me Francis� Uncle Herb whispered. �I never thought I�d see that beauty again. How much is she askin?�. �6900� I says. �Tell her she�s dreamin�� he says in his best Darryl Kerrigan voice. �Well, it�s a bit old but its in great nick. I reckon the price is alright� I told him. Well, he marches straight off to the fridge and grabs a couple of Fosters. �We gotta celebrate Tone� he says and so there we were, me and uncle Herb getting nicely sloshed and talking about how much fun its gonna be with the old Torana back in our lives.
I still cant believe my luck hey. I even ordered a set of personalised plates from PPQ. I managed to get the plates �SEEGUL� because I reckon that with the grey and black and white the Torana looks like a sea gull and, this is the clever bit, the name Torana means �To Fly� in the Ningi-Nunga Aboriginal dialect. So SEEGUL really suits it. Its going to confuse people but because people might think it means Segal like Steven Segal the marital aids actor. Y�know, the one that does Akiyo on the baddies and he is really tall and has a pony tail. LOL, people will get confused when I get out of the car because I am short and bald and I only know origami. I photoshopped the number plates onto the photo you sent me and I printed it out at Harvey Norman and I carry a picture in my pocket. When I went to Australia Post today to do the Western Union transfer I was telling Joan the lady who server me all about it. I showed her the photo and she nearly cried. �I used to have one of them� she said. �Me and Donald bought it brand new and we loved our hatch. We even got the hatch hutch and we would go camping by the lake and would watch the swans on the lake as the sunset�. When Don passed away from the war in Nam we gave the car to our grandson who swapped it for a Brock Lada. I could have throttled the little turd�.
Anyway, Joan has done the transfer and I have the receipt but Im having trouble faxing it to you. Can I scan it and send it via email instead? It will be a bit cheaper for me to. I asked Joan if she has the computer to make sure I can track the MTCN number but she said they were upgrading the computer and the tracking function would be unavailable for this transaction. Stupid computers. I trust everything will be ok but because Joan was really nice.
Im finding hard to sleep just thinking about how ace the Torana will look in my shed. Ive never bought a car like this before, the power will be grouse.
How are you going to get the car to me from Perth or do I need to arrange transport myself? Please let me know so I can make the arrangements.
Regards,
Tony
From: Jessica Anderson [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, 20 October 2010 5:28 PM
To: Standfield, Tony
Subject: Re: 1976 LX SS Torana Hatchback
I don't have any news from you, please keep me updated
#47
Posted 21 October 2010 - 08:06 PM
Funniest thing I've read in ages.
#48
_judgelj_
Posted 23 October 2010 - 03:40 PM
#49
Posted 23 October 2010 - 05:13 PM

Regards ... Barry
#50
_Tony_
Posted 23 October 2010 - 05:46 PM
I spoke to the Trading Post & the bloke there told me ad in question had been removed as it had been deemed to be fraudulent. I've reported it to Ebay & also to WA Scamwatch but thought I'd register here to spread the word on the other email address as the more who know about it, the less chance some poor bugger's got of being ripped off. I know how long a road it's been for me to get back to the point where I can afford another car & how gutted I'd be if I got dudded by a scumbag like this. Anyway, email address to look out for is [email protected]
This bloke identifies himself as SGM. Chris Brady & apparently he's deploying to Afghanistan shortly. Both the cars I followed up on were removed as soon as I replied & then turned up again on Ebay a couple of days later. There were also another 2 Monaro's on there which were possibly dodgy, but were removed before I could record the email addresses attached to them.
Try the Google searches on both his email & Jess's & see how you go for similarities.
Cheers,
Tony
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