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Started by _Mike73_ , May 05 2011 12:56 PM

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#1 _Mike73_

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Posted 05 May 2011 - 12:56 PM

There has been much talk of the 150 list, so I would like to pose the question:

Of the following 150 list engine numbers has anyone found vins to match?

JP 386662
JP 386680
JP 386706
JP 386895
JP 387156
JP 387165
JP 387217
JP 387969
JP 388046
JP 388860
JP 389980
JP 390021
JP 390080
JP 390086
JP 390105
JP 390512
JP 391859
JP 391883
JP 392506
JP 392514
JP 393340
JP 393301
JP 397954
JP 398028
JP 398043
JP 398366
JP 401833
JP 401842
JP 403333
JP 403398

I also have been wondering where export XU-1's fit into this picture?

I have heard of one XU-1 on the forum which did not have its numbers recorded and there could be more yet!

look forward to your reply, Mike

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Posted 05 May 2011 - 01:48 PM

wasnt there a list made up somewhere already?

someone else can confirm

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Posted 05 May 2011 - 04:39 PM

Hi Mike

I made this list up some time ago. I am pretty sure no "73 Bathursts" were exported by GMH. Some may have gone privately.

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JP 386662 L251090
JP 386680 L251104
JP 386706 Not Recorded
JP 386895 Not Recorded
JP 387156 Not Recorded
JP 387165 Not Recorded
JP 387217 Not Recorded
JP 387969 Not Recorded
JP 388046 Not Recorded
JP 388860 Not Recorded
JP 389980 Not Recorded
JP 390021 Not Recorded
JP 390080 Not Recorded
JP 390086 L251684 (From AMC site)
JP 390105 Not Recorded
JP 390512 Not Recorded
JP 391859 Not Recorded
JP 391883 Not Recorded
JP 392506 Not Recorded
JP 392514 Not Recorded
JP 393340 Not Recorded
JP 393301 Not Recorded
JP 397954 Not Recorded
JP 398028 Not Recorded
JP 398043 Not Recorded
JP 398366 Not Recorded
JP 401833 Not Recorded
JP 401842 Not Recorded
JP 403333 Not Recorded
JP 403398 Not Recorded

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Posted 06 May 2011 - 01:35 PM

Dealer 236 has 9 cars allocatted to them and is I am told by a reliable source that 236 is N.Z. based. All I believe are september assembled from acacia ridge
and all have no engine no. recorded.

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Posted 07 May 2011 - 06:52 PM

what about jp398668
looks like it is in a 4 door s L252408

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 05:18 AM

Posted Yesterday, 07:52 PM
what about jp398668
looks like it is in a 4 door s L252408

that is why the vin disc is not 100% proof of your original engine number, having log books and or build sheet makes a car worth more as then the proof is there.

cheers gong

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 07:48 AM

Posted Yesterday, 07:52 PM
what about jp398668
looks like it is in a 4 door s L252408

that is why the vin disc is not 100% proof of your original engine number, having log books and or build sheet makes a car worth more as then the proof is there.

cheers gong


G/day John

My guess from looking at other engine numbers used around around early Sept 73 production that P398668 is a misprint and should be D398668.
The office girl at GMH probably mistook someones bad handwriting and thought the D was a P.
There is no JP398668 on the 150 XU1engine list, but then again that is obviously no guarantee that it didn't exist.

Cheers
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Posted 08 May 2011 - 09:30 AM

I agree with Spack. This is quite common, i'm sure I have seen R and T prefixes too amongst the LC/J service/warranty records.

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 11:10 AM

Dealer 236 has 9 cars allocatted to them and is I am told by a reliable source that 236 is N.Z. based. All I believe are september assembled from acacia ridge
and all have no engine no. recorded.

Regards
GRUMPY 73


yes i agree those 9 cars are brisbane built cars and ended up going to victoria...wonder what the reason was??
you would have thought it would have been cheaper the transport them from adelaide

mike73...yes i have matched vins to engine numbers..114

cheers jono

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 02:30 PM

Thanks guys,
maybe we may get a bit more comment yet, stay tuned.

Mike

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Posted 09 May 2011 - 06:51 AM

spack and yel327 i would never over look that fact of a office f-up but do you really think they could have made so many f-ups

cheers gong

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Posted 09 May 2011 - 07:07 AM

Yes. Remember the 1000kM service form was filled out at a dealership normally when details were recorded when the vehicle returned for service. Just imagine how you would record the vehicle details off ID plates, engine number and transmission (auto only) - probably on a piece of paper. Then fill out the form and send it off to the zone office. Who would then get it entered electronically. Lots of handwriting to misread. I can't think of any other way to explain so many engines where they shouldn't be.

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Posted 09 May 2011 - 07:24 AM

I got to say it still happens today,I work at a dealership that has 9 franchises and from the factory to the dealer and even to the RTA there are F*ck ups.

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Posted 09 May 2011 - 10:27 AM

Dealer 236 has 9 cars allocatted to them and is I am told by a reliable source that 236 is N.Z. based. All I believe are september assembled from acacia ridge
and all have no engine no. recorded.

Regards
GRUMPY 73


how about the six black cars that bob jane suppose of ordered,
has anyone got a vin number of one of these cars

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Posted 09 May 2011 - 11:30 AM

Yes. Remember the 1000kM service form was filled out at a dealership normally when details were recorded when the vehicle returned for service. Just imagine how you would record the vehicle details off ID plates, engine number and transmission (auto only) - probably on a piece of paper. Then fill out the form and send it off to the zone office. Who would then get it entered electronically. Lots of handwriting to misread. I can't think of any other way to explain so many engines where they shouldn't be.


electronicly? in the early 70's?
more likely to have been by phone/post
computers don't make mistakes only the humans telling them how to :)

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Posted 09 May 2011 - 11:49 AM

From memory the new computer system was used from HG onwards. Those service/warranty microfiche records are taken from computer printouts. Mainframe computer systems were prevelant in the 70's, the internet was first developed in the 60's for communication between mainframes and terminals.

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Posted 09 May 2011 - 06:07 PM

spack and yel327 i would never over look that fact of a office f-up but do you really think they could have made so many f-ups

cheers gong


Yes John, I believe a lot of mistakes on the Warranty Service Records were made somewhere between the Dealerships and the Office at GMH.
That is not to say that all irregularities on the Records are mistakes though.

My LJ log book has a mistake made by the Dealer.
They have recorded the Vin No. incorrectly on the Warranty Certificate, a simple transposition error, but my LJ 6cyl 4spd 2dr Torana became a 4cyl model :cry:

Cheers
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Posted 11 May 2011 - 09:04 PM

spack and yel327 i would never over look that fact of a office f-up but do you really think they could have made so many f-ups

cheers gong

Keep in mind, if you REALLY wanted a hot six in your 4dr, strings could be pulled.


I remember one car that has fallen off the radar over the years - LJ 202 four door with paperwork. Somebody probably turned it into a V8 by now :dontknow:


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Posted 11 May 2011 - 10:08 PM


spack and yel327 i would never over look that fact of a office f-up but do you really think they could have made so many f-ups

cheers gong

Keep in mind, if you REALLY wanted a hot six in your 4dr, strings could be pulled.


I remember one car that has fallen off the radar over the years - LJ 202 four door with paperwork. Somebody probably turned it into a V8 by now :dontknow:



G/day Grant

Do you mean a JL 202 in a 4dr LJ or a JP 202??? Cause if you are talking about a JL 202 in a 4dr then that's not rare for a 1973 model. Plenty of LJ 4dr's got 202 engines, esp the SL's.

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Posted 12 May 2011 - 10:36 AM

I had a champagne ( Mk 2 ) 7 / 73 LJ 4 door "S" model that had a factory 4 speed, 308 diff & JL 202 engine this was almost the same engine as the GTR except the air cleaner and painted rocker cover with 3300 decal on top this differed from the HQ decal which had 202 High compression usually.

This "S" model 3300 decal was the clear type that showed through the red rocker cover paint in the centre of the numerals, I believe this may be what some reproduction decals are made from, of course this would be totally wrong for a XU-1 because they had a chrome rocker cover!

Mike

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Posted 12 May 2011 - 10:53 AM


Dealer 236 has 9 cars allocatted to them and is I am told by a reliable source that 236 is N.Z. based. All I believe are september assembled from acacia ridge
and all have no engine no. recorded.

Regards
GRUMPY 73


how about the six black cars that bob jane suppose of ordered,
has anyone got a vin number of one of these cars


Hi Vin, Mike here, at least one black XU-1 made it to WA I spoke to the original owner through some parts I bought one day, the car he bought had been originally ordered in Warrigal Black by a race driver here in Perth ( might have been Ray Thackwell ) this race driver did not take delivery of this car for some reason and that is how it was left in the show room to be sold to anyone with the money and inclination to buy it.

I have not been able to trace this car or its details The picture I have shows spotlights and the number plate
XCK 950 I am fairly sure it was a late 1973 one and it shows the amber indicator lights though thios could also be late 72 as well.
The guy that originally owned it said they only built about 24 Warrigal Black examples though there seems to be some debate on the exact numbers, I suppose the Vin information would reveal most of them if someone took the Time to go through them all!

The limited information on this car points to it being last in the south west of WA.

Mike

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Posted 12 May 2011 - 11:32 AM

I suppose the Vin information would reveal most of them if someone took the Time to go through them all!


:blink2: no paint codes on vin disc

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Posted 12 May 2011 - 12:58 PM

The build records do though, I think the A9X portion of them are published in a Torana book. These records are around somewhere.

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Posted 12 May 2011 - 01:16 PM



spack and yel327 i would never over look that fact of a office f-up but do you really think they could have made so many f-ups

cheers gong

Keep in mind, if you REALLY wanted a hot six in your 4dr, strings could be pulled.


I remember one car that has fallen off the radar over the years - LJ 202 four door with paperwork. Somebody probably turned it into a V8 by now :dontknow:



G/day Grant

Do you mean a JL 202 in a 4dr LJ or a JP 202??? Cause if you are talking about a JL 202 in a 4dr then that's not rare for a 1973 model. Plenty of LJ 4dr's got 202 engines, esp the SL's.

Cheers
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Nope JP.........I wonder what happened to it, was from out towards Penrith I think, but can only assume it wasn't the only one.

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Posted 13 May 2011 - 10:45 AM

hi mike
the story? is bob jane order 6 black xu1 that are on the 150 list they could be linked to dealer 236 it is just my thinking
bob jane was the largest G.M dearler in the world he could specify any colour, be good to know one of there vin no,
i have a photo of the eng bay of one of them but can not read the vin no
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