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Started by _2DR_ , May 01 2013 09:00 PM

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#26 _mervex_

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Posted 11 May 2013 - 11:36 AM

There is nothing too sinister about the wrong id plate on the manifolds.if I rememer correctly sometimes parts were in short supply and a strata 5 manifold on a strata 2 kit was no problem if it had to be deliveredWe were sold a few kits like that,with not quite right parts but it all worked fine in the end.

i am looking at making a "strata 5" inlet manifold (using mandrel bent bends)if time permits for my 202.There were many different turbine housing sizes used on these kits,what size are you using stretch?

As for carbs,SU s were used at first then when supply dried up NGM then used CD Strombergs.That was good for me as their dyno was tied up with the 308 kits,I was asked to sort out the needles for the 186 carbs.I was given a strata 2 kit which i had to fit in a weekend then come up with the corrcet mixture needle for the retail kits.Found some really good streets for mixture testing around Melb!! a bit naughty when i think about it now.

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#27 _stretchlc_

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Posted 11 May 2013 - 08:55 PM

I have 3 different T04 turbo's here to chose from mervex..the one thats on my engine for now is a .83 A/R turbine........I also have a .96 A/R one and lastly a big 1.06 A/R turbine too..............all are carbon seal type with V Band compressor housings and all are .60 A/R in size........I'm super glad you chime in with your input and tales of turbocharging tuning in back streets and all that good stuff. Do you have any tips on needles for these things?....A friend of mine is having a little trouble with a super rich mixture at idle and part throttle at cruise, but WOT is spot on. I'm guessing he's just going to have to either try different needles or modify the needle profiles of his present ones. He's running an old 1 3/4" HIF SU Twin carb set up of mine on his engine, with a strata 2 manifold set and a T04 turbo with a .83 A/R turbine. The car managed to pull 248 rwhp and the AFR's were spot on through the dyno pulls, but runs pig rich and burns the eyes at idle and anything just off idle.

Edited by stretchlc, 11 May 2013 - 08:56 PM.

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#28 _mervex_

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 06:59 PM

HI,stretch,I will check the needles in my su's and see if i can find my old dyno /tuning book for you.

mervex

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#29 _ljxu1torana_

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 09:13 PM

HI,stretch,I will check the needles in my su's and see if i can find my old dyno /tuning book for you.

mervex

even my 48mm weber carby is tune very rich.when i start my torana from a cold start then drive it down the street then stop it does not wanting to idle when it is cold.but when it is engine is at operating tempreture it will idle good at about 1000 rpm.thanks jason.

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#30 _mervex_

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Posted 19 May 2013 - 10:24 AM

HI, you will find that fuel pressure control on webers is very important. they only need 2-3 psi pressure but a lot of flow,mainly with turbo cars. Facet make good,quit pumps (part no 40007E from the facet site http://www.facet-pur...part_finder.php or one of these i just found on the weber site http://www.weberperf...o9erjrcjbmd1d01 to suit and are reliable. I had my car set up to use a weber (for sat night) or a pair of cd strombergs,for daily use,it took me 5 min to swap over.We got more power with Weber but not the best driveability or economy with 38 chokes and mains to suit. I was about to convert the offset choke on my weber to only open under boost,a vac sec as such,to improve manners of the car but i moved interstate.

Anyway, the needles we mainly used with SUs wereBCA or AAB.

CD Strombergs they were ZJ1A or B1BF.

I think the biggest needle and seat were 2.25 for the cds and they must be fitted.

I have 2 turbine housings to choose from,a .7 or a 1.15, both mid trim i think.

the .7 was good on the 186 but i might fit the 1.15 to the 202.

Fuel supply at higher boost levels must be maintained or its OOPS all over the road!

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#31 _000lj_

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 08:56 PM

I had one of the strata 2 kits with t4 with a very primitive hand adjusted spring wastegate running a Holley 600 vac secondary on a std 186 in our Lj two door back in about mid nineties that was a full street car and it used to run 12.5 at 110 mph and it was a blast to go cruising in well worth it for bang for buck you won't beat it only problem we had was head gaskets every now and again

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#32 _stretchlc_

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Posted 08 June 2013 - 08:27 AM

Hahaha....a standard 186 engine in a car thats in full street trim pulling a 12.5 @ 110 mph................thats awesome!

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#33 _BlueLX_

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 05:26 PM

While we're talking Strata 2's...

What kind of cam and turbo has everyone / would anyone suggest running?

I'm in the process of building a turbo 202 for the hatch with a modified strata 2 inlet to fit a 12 port head and a custom exhaust manifold. The head is a ported YT cast job (flows very well I'm told) and I have most of the other gear sorted - 4 barrel v-band adapter (tempted to chuck a quadie at it, if not vac sec holley) etc. The only bits I am missing are:

turbo -- I think Turbonetics will still do a Carbon seal job... what sizes though?

camshaft -- maybe Camtech CT35603-112(a) or should I be aiming for something bigger?

I realise the strata 2 kit is limited but it's what I have access to at the moment. The car will be a streeter anyway, I don't need that much BHP!!!

Cheers and sorry if I'm hijacking the thread.

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#34 _Bomber Watson_

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 08:18 PM

At the fear of being flamed again, with a stock type 9 port strata 2 you will likely be making less hp than a well worked over aspirated one....

Seen it proven at the strip.....

So i would be more worried about modding the mani than turbo or cam, they come later.

Without flowing the head with the mani attatched your pissing into the wind.

Cheers.

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#35 _stretchlc_

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 12:40 PM

I wouldnt Flame you DJ................Maybe grill you on Low Heat??

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#36 _Bomber Watson_

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 04:09 PM

You will be delighted to know that i have decided i now like Strata setups, for certain applications.

But I highly doubt i will ever like the original Strata 2 inlet manifold....

Considering a local lad lost half a second going from aspirated with a 4bbl holley to a strata 2 setup down the quarter, you will prolly work out why

Cheers.

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#37 _runna_202_

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 04:32 PM

You will be delighted to know that i have decided i now like Strata setups, for certain applications.

But I highly doubt i will ever like the original Strata 2 inlet manifold....

Considering a local lad lost half a second going from aspirated with a 4bbl holley to a strata 2 setup down the quarter, you will prolly work out why

Cheers.

Dj you squeezer..........if your going to put stuff on the interweb,aleast put the correct stuff on there/here.

Mr Spreadbroughs p.b was 12.7 @ 100mph and yes that was 4bbl but was alcohol fueled with tri and 9in....1 year or so before hand they had gone pb of 12.9 with webbers m22 and 9inch unsure of the mph but told it was just over 100. So after they played with the alky 4bbl they went to a strata turbo setup. Mind you heavly modded intake,picture the 3 intake runners and divider in the centre,they had welded flatbar on the front and back of the runners so that the divider could be completly removed to obtain a much larger cross-section. And that went 12.2 @110mph but unsure of boost and turbo size but i remembered it looked tiny. Then it was a few months before id seen it again and when it did come back it had been converted to blowthrough and its pb was 10.4 @124 with 20pound boost on rf 100. Jakes performance had done the carb which was a 500 2bbl because when i was my carb done by jake he had told me there was a pretty quick 202 in central queensland who he had helped out.....oh and this was in a 4 door lj with full rego.....and sorry the turbo when it was blow-through was a garrett t66 hybrid thing,unsure of the exact specs just remember him saying that.

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#38 _Bomber Watson_

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 05:35 PM

Oopse, thought he ran it as is briefly?

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#39 _Sir LC_

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 07:57 PM

if you go on the mike vine website and click on retro then click on holden 6 turbo you will see the brochure that ngm garrett brought out for the stage 2 kit,which lists all the parts used and power/torque graphs,they had a brochure for all of their kits listing the differences,thanks stretch for your info and knowledge,mervex did you work at bensons

I've recently enquired about this setup from MVT - they appear to be a pretty good package (full kit).
Has anyone used or know of anyone running one of these setups? How do they stack up $/hp?

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#40 Stinga

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 08:35 PM

I've recently enquired about this setup from MVT - they appear to be a pretty good package (full kit).
Has anyone used or know of anyone running one of these setups? How do they stack up $/hp?

whats the damage on a kit from them?

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#41 _stretchlc_

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Posted 25 June 2013 - 03:06 PM

Dollar to HP...........ya cant go past them!!

I'm biased though!

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#42 u1 71

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Posted 25 June 2013 - 04:15 PM

street machine did a story on mike vine and his holden 6 and v8 turbo set ups a while ago titled whispering hellfire.it's a very good read if you can get that issue,in that issue he uses the garrett kit with the webber,a yella terra bathurst 1200 head and a celica 5 speed

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#43 _stretchlc_

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Posted 25 June 2013 - 08:19 PM

I have a few items of interest for sale to suit Garrett Strata Turbo kits for anyone who cares............Here's the links below

http://www.ebay.com....984.m1555.l2649

And next week I'll be listing a set of Garrett Strata 2 turbo manifolds...(Inlet and turbo exhaust)

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#44 _stretchlc_

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Posted 25 June 2013 - 08:28 PM

If you have a copy of the issue you speak of Peter, would you be able to scan the write up and post it here for all to read if its not too much trouble please?

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#45 Litre8

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Posted 25 June 2013 - 08:29 PM

When I first went with the Strata VI it came with a 48 Weber and we just could not get it too work below 3000 rpm. It was, for all intensive purposes, hopeless for street use. To me it seem like it really lacked a decent accelerator pump or similar to cover the big vacuum drop when the throttle was opened combined with the long intake runners.

We went to the twin H1F SUs and it was transformed into a tractable,driveable combination that returned good economy and gave good performance. Ultimately we went to an 800 DP S/Bore which cost a little (!) in economy but delivered the HP with great throttle response..

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#46 _Sir LC_

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Posted 27 June 2013 - 07:13 PM

whats the damage on a kit from them?

Based on the info provided I can surmise the following:

Strata 2 draw through turbo charger kits:
- Stage 1:
75-150% increase in bhp (Stock 202 80bhp)
Operate at 7, 9, 12PSI
$/bhp (max gain) = $125
Kit is based on 1x 1.75CD carbs, Garret T04, waste gate, camshaft, fuel supply kit, throttle & choke cables, decompression plate & gaskets, water injection kit, turbo lubrication kit, inlet and exhaust kits (not conplete exhaust) etc.
Kit comes pre-tuned

- Stage 2:
150-200% increase in bhp
Operate at 15PSI
$/bhp (main gain) = $80
All the above, except running 2x 1.75CD carbs, oil cooler, water-meth injection kit.

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#47 _ljxu1torana_

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Posted 27 June 2013 - 08:30 PM

When I first went with the Strata VI it came with a 48 Weber and we just could not get it too work below 3000 rpm. It was, for all intensive purposes, hopeless for street use. To me it seem like it really lacked a decent accelerator pump or similar to cover the big vacuum drop when the throttle was opened combined with the long intake runners.

We went to the twin H1F SUs and it was transformed into a tractable,driveable combination that returned good economy and gave good performance. Ultimately we went to an 800 DP S/Bore which cost a little (!) in economy but delivered the HP with great throttle response..

hi howard,my 48mm weber works exellent from idle up to the 5500rpm my cam is a small cam,in a lj torana 13 inch wheels 2.78 gears 14 psi.it is very throttle responsive.webers are the closest thing to mechanical fuel injection.thanks jason.

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#48 Litre8

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Posted 27 June 2013 - 08:39 PM

Hi Jason. Yeah, we just could not get it to go below 3000 rpm at all. Maybe the cam (strata VI) or the low comp (6.8:1) contributed. With the Holley it was tractable and made good hp from 3000rpm to 8000rpm. The Spreadbore configuration was obviously good for keeping up air speed off boost.

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#49 _ljxu1torana_

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 01:12 AM

Hi Jason. Yeah, we just could not get it to go below 3000 rpm at all. Maybe the cam (strata VI) or the low comp (6.8:1) contributed. With the Holley it was tractable and made good hp from 3000rpm to 8000rpm. The Spreadbore configuration was obviously good for keeping up air speed off boost.

my c/r is similar to yours,i have a 186 block with dished 202 pistons,1.6mm copper head gasket.do you think this is a good idea.

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#50 _stretchlc_

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 07:38 PM

Jase, you are asking Howard if your combination is a good idea, when you preach everywhere that it is the only way to go..................I'm kinda confused now from your question.