209 replies to this topic

[StephenSLR]

Yeah i get that, but i wasnt aware that we HAD to vote one way or the other, left or right, i wanna vote up

 

There is only left or right, a policy doesn't go up, it will appeal to one group or the other.

 

It's like heat, you have hot, cold and everywhere in between but no weird 'up' temperature that exists in some other dimension.

 

However, think of a straight line, the line bends around like a circle and if you travel along the line and go to the extreme right you're almost into left extreme territory and vice versa.

 

Our party's are not extreme, when you go to the extreme ends you're delving into either communism (left) or fascism (right).

 

One way Keating was able to win an election was to introduce policies that appealed to a lot of Liberal voters, he had the hardline Labor voters in his hand and won over a lot of Liberal voters, it was in the bag for him that year.

 

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Edited by StephenSLR, 04 May 2013 - 10:53 AM.

[StephenSLR]

i wanna vote up

 

You can vote for a different party, nothing wrong with that.

 

In the current system the other parties are too small in voting numbers so they can't win, their votes will go towards whichever party their policies are set to.

 

If a new third party wins it will still be either left wing or right wing, to use another analogy, the fence in the middle is so thin that you can't balance on it, you'll fall into the left or the right yard, so to speak.

 

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Edited by StephenSLR, 04 May 2013 - 11:00 AM.

[StephenSLR]

^ the above is my understanding as I was taught in high school, I'm no political expert.

 

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[TerrA LX]

So in effect it is NOT a true democracy... We the people? yeah right.

[StephenSLR]

.to put it another way we need to get rid of the mindset the public has that you must vote for either labor or liberal.

 

It is a democracy, you can vote for whomever you like. Only one party can win, the one with the majority of votes and people are sheep, look at the mess we made of Aus. becoming a republic.

 

We the sheeple, indeed.

 

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Edited by StephenSLR, 04 May 2013 - 11:24 AM.

[StephenSLR]

Under a democracy the people either choose what happens, or they elect representatives to make these decisions. 

 

 

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Edited by StephenSLR, 04 May 2013 - 11:50 AM.

[StephenSLR]

But what is it when you elect a representative who within weeks of being in power goes back on a direct election promise?

 

You just can't avoid that, John Hewson tried to introduce the GST before an election, he lost the election.

 

Howard promised us there'll be no GST, he gave us the GST.

 

Right now gay marriage is not popular with the majority, no politician this close to election will fall on their sword to promote gay marriage, they just won't win.

 

Whoever wins, once they get elected and settled in we're going to hear about how Aus. is falling behind the rest of the world and you watch, we'll end up having gay marriage legal in this country. They may indeed lose the following election because of it.

 

Funnily enough, the govt. (Centrelink) recognises gay couples and pays them less than two singles by issuing them with 'couple' benefits.

 

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Edited by StephenSLR, 04 May 2013 - 11:59 AM.

[yel327]

I'm still of the opinion that party politics sucks. Make parties illegal, and make the House of Representatives behave like it sounds - a house of elected representatives that elect a Prime Minister from their midst, and vote on legislation or work on other such Government business. Not have two groups always opposed to each other, with a few loose cannons thrown into the mix who only end up getting sweet talked by one of the two groups. The Senate is there as oversight, not to blindly pass every bill if the controlling group from the House of Reps also has control of the Senate, or alternatively block every bill if they don't have control. A Goverment has to be allowed to govern, not be blocked due to party politics in the Senate.

 

I'd like to see a major shakeup in politics to fix this. Unions should NOT have control of the Prime Minister, and hence control of the Parliament. Nor should big business. A fringe group like the Greens should NOT have sway over how the country is run simply because they have the numbers (albeit in minority) to do it. Our "representatives" should be voting in the best interests of those that they represent (ie us), not voting the way they are told to vote by their caucus or party room ie what is in the best interest of the Union puppeteers that have their hands up Gillards proverbial, nor the same for big business with Conervative leaders.

 

I can honestly say in the last decade and a bit I have seen the worst two Aussie Governments I have witnessed in my time on earth: NSW Labor prior to 2 years ago, and the current Minority Goverment which you will notice I haven't called a Labor Governement because it isn't - it is swayed and controlled by the Greens and Independents.

 

End of rant. But it is the reason why I stated i'd love to be part of this party proposed in this thread, but not interested if in the end its preference goes towards the ship of fools we have in Federal Government at the moment. Tony, as a thought I suppose I could easily withdraw as a member if its preferences were going Labor??

 

As an aside, I think there are 2 x Federal Politicians that dance to their own tune and won't be the puppets of others. One of them was Kevin Rudd who probably was shafted for this reason. The other is Malcolm Turnbull, who may well have been shafted for similar reasons.

[tinkers]

As an aside, I think there are 2 x Federal Politicians that dance to their own tune and won't be the puppets of others. One of them was Kevin Rudd who probably was shafted for this reason. The other is Malcolm Turnbull, who may well have been shafted for similar reasons.

Yeah I was thinking that about Rudd as well

[Steve TPF]

You just can't avoid that, John Hewson tried to introduce the GST before an election, he lost the election.

 

Howard promised us there'll be no GST, he gave us the GST.

 

 

 And don't forget that Jiggles promised "no carbon tax" - and promptly gave us one to keep the support of the loony Greens.

 

Most people accept that it's "Labor or Liberal" but the current minority government (effectively run by the Greens) shows that a minor party can hold the balance of power.

 

I considered voting for Clive Palmer, but at this point I don't think he'll get enough votes to be effective. It's far more important to kick "Jiggles and friends" out of office before they do any more damage. So I'll be voting for the Libs, I'll consider others later.

[orangeLJ]

Howard took the gst as policy to the election, they had previously said no get, but changed their stance and policy before the election as far as I know

[Dr Terry]

Howard took the gst as policy to the election, they had previously said no get, but changed their stance and policy before the election as far as I know

Yes, but unlike so many policies from either side, GST was actually a good thing in the long run.

 

Dr Terry

[orangeLJ]

I'm.just sick of people saying howard did the same thing as gillard.

He did nothing of the sort.

[StephenSLR]

do you remember "Cash For Clunkers"? 

 

Did they do that here?

 

It didn't do too well in the US.

 

the “Clunkers” program, which is officially known as the Car Allowance Rebates System (CARS), produced tons of unnecessary waste while doing little to curb greenhouse gas emissions.

 

http://news.yahoo.co...-024848694.html

 

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Edited by StephenSLR, 10 May 2013 - 07:43 AM.

[Collo]

Gillard wanted to bring it in over here.

[mr5000]

i reckon palmer and any other partys aside from labour or liberal will do quite well no one likes gillard including me shes just a flat out twat n no one likes that big eared muppet that wants to take away penatly rates for people who work weekends ect dickwad  

 

in all seriousness i really do hope that this party can atleast make an impact on our way of life and protect our rights as no one else seems to give a stuff about them its just how hard they can punish us for not playing golf or lawn bowls

[Statler]

Registered & shared. 

[Shtstr]

All I can say it was a wonderful feeling to be there on Saturday and be part of history. Lets stand as one and let them know we will not go quitely into the night. Will will stand and fight for our right to enjoy our hobby as individuals and as group's. We are car enthusiasts not hoons. We are found at the track not some back street. There is a big difference.