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[Ice]

I'm just happy my HJ is a Monaro!
Got some mileage though hasn't it?

Thats what its all about paul being happy with what you got

[Ice]

Missus got a 6pk sampler of different apple ciders for xmas.
Popped it in the fridge this morning. Will be sampling soon

This thread would drive you to drink Daz

[ls2lxhatch]

This was why what Chevy did in the USA with cars like the L88 and ZL1 vettes and camaros was so exceptional and why these road registrable racecars became true muscle cars and legends.

 

Legendary road registrable race cars yes, but not true muscle cars.

 

The Corvette does not qualify as a muscle car under the American definition of a muscle car.
 

Two seat sports cars such as the Chevrolet Corvette and the Ford Thunderbird are not considered muscle cars due to their high price and specialty nature. The only exception is the AMC AMX as it was relatively cheap, and was based on the AMC Javalin pony car.

 
 
The Camaro (pony or compact size) does not qualify as a muscle car either under the strict definition of an American muscle car, although the SS and Z28 versions are generally considered to be muscle cars by the Americans under the broader definition of a muscle car..
 

A muscle car, by the strictest definition, is an intermediate sized, performance oriented model, powered by a large V8 engine, at an affordable price.

http://www.musclecarclub.com/

Edited by ls2lxhatch, 15 March 2014 - 01:46 PM.

[Dr Terry]

The V8 Superboring vehicles have no relationship to any dunny that was for sale on the Holden dealers showroom. You may as well be talking about the relativity of a dunny to an F1 car. How many dunnydores have a gearbox on a transaxle or tube frame. I mean its a total joke how anyone can relate these racing to production vehicles. What the L34 and A9X where in the racing versions vs road cars was a least somewhat relative but not the racing we see since the format changed to Nascar like rules.

 

This was why what Chevy did in the USA with cars like the L88 and ZL1 vettes and camaros was so exceptional and why these road registrable racecars became  true muscle cars and legends. Holden did the same except it was using the standard boat anchor and left over driveline components. However they do styling well, and the cosmetics offered a good selection of stripes and badges,spoilers etc to sell on the showroom. Sadly Fraud where the only one that delivered a fully developed street registrable racecar right up to the rev limiter.

 

Honourable Mention to

L34

XU-1

I agree with most of what you've said there, but it's irrelevant. 

 

You stated "1993 was the first time any of the teams had ran the new GM engine (LS) ".

 

As I said they do not have & have never used the LSx GM V8s in any ATCC car. The Holdens mostly used the Nascar SBC.

 

You've completely missed that.

 

Dr Terry

[ls2lxhatch]

Who cares what yanks want or define? Who made them god?

 

"Muscle Car" is an American term first used in the 60's to describe a category of American factory built performance cars.

 

 

I find it odd that you would call a Corvette a muscle car when the country that invented the term and built the car doesn't consider it to be a muscle car.

Edited by ls2lxhatch, 15 March 2014 - 04:39 PM.

[yel327]

We are supposed to be getting the Camaro here but unfortunately only as a HSV not as a Holden. Hopefully they don't hit it with the same ugly stick as most other HSV stuff and sell it at an affordable price. And hopefullyit is better than the US production versions, I hired one in Hawaii and it was a far inferior car to my V2 CV8 in useability and how it drove. And it only had 10,000 miles on it, my V2 has 117,000kM.

Edited by yel327, 16 March 2014 - 10:18 AM.