GMH Microfiche... on ebay
#26
Posted 21 July 2006 - 05:35 PM
For those who have invested in a disk do you think it would be fair to post a download to obtain this info on this site?
Perhaps forum members who have a copy of the original fische could have placed it on the forum as a download, prior to it been placed on Ebay by someone who has the sense to realise that the info is highly sought after and could be cashed in on.
I guess a few people would be $250 better off!
Thoughts please?
2600s
#27
Posted 21 July 2006 - 07:59 PM
Then we can all have one anyway.
But if the imformation is freely avaliable then any cheats can more easily be shown up.
It will come as duplication of numbers so if some one is going to buy a car they can check online right away and if any one is worried about the car they have now, on road or in shed they could check lists and post their chassis no, thus claiming right to genuine vehicle.
I would be happy to register my chassis no. or build code and protect against theft.
A forum register could be used as proof of ownership of those vehicle details
At the momemt I can go to my local police station and ask them to check an engine no. is it in use ? free. So if I make up 2600s45678 and its not registered
anywhere I stamp block and hey presto can register my car with GTR engine no.
Once registered it's legal.
#28
Posted 21 July 2006 - 09:28 PM
since i paid 250 , i,m prepared to cut 4 copies at 50 dollars each to forum members only to reduce my cost what i paid !!!!
first 4 to email or pm me , first in best dressed ...
cheers 830
#29 _Mondie_
Posted 21 July 2006 - 09:35 PM
l couldnt agree more with Doublin and 830hp, having the numbers allows you to verify that those numbers are off an XU-1 yourself. However you still need to have the car inspected by an expert as thats the ONLY way you will know what you are getting.the info is not that radical but a good tool to help with purchasing a car .
however buyers should go over a car carefully include checking of stamping
doublin gtr you are still right .
l think a lot more good than bad will result from this info becoming public. l dont understand why its the end of the world to some.
Cheers
#30
Posted 21 July 2006 - 09:46 PM
#31
Posted 21 July 2006 - 10:37 PM
yes its the microfish data and clear , approx 1600 pages ,
very well done
looks like ocr digital scan
i have successfully done the 4 c.d,s from the c.d i purchased
2 have been spoken for and 2 left
#32
Posted 22 July 2006 - 08:14 AM
830HP if you have paid $250 it only makes sense to try and recoup some ca$h by going 4 ways, also shares the info at hand with other enthusiasts which is what all of us should be about!
Regards
2600s
#33
Posted 22 July 2006 - 05:20 PM
Give me your bank details and I will put $100 in it and you can post the details on the forum.goxu1 ,
yes its the microfish data and clear , approx 1600 pages ,
very well done
looks like ocr digital scan
i have successfully done the 4 c.d,s from the c.d i purchased
2 have been spoken for and 2 left
You come out ahead and we all have access .
#34 _gm3300_
Posted 22 July 2006 - 10:02 PM
Check this site from the Camaro Research Group in the US.
VIN list ZL1
This list provides the VIN numbers and the relevant option info for all 69 ZL1 Camaros, considered the rarest and most sought after model, and the site has heaps of info relating to specific models, differences between production plants, date codes, protecto-plate info etc.
I'd doubt if anybody would try to build a car from this info, i reckon the experts would quickly know it's a fraud, but it just shows how much info is out there.
grant
#35
Posted 23 July 2006 - 09:43 AM
I think the info on the microfish will be more helpful than a hinderance or cause for alarm.
2600s
#36
Posted 23 July 2006 - 12:17 PM
There's only really three scenarios with this info, as far as I'm concerned;
(1) the 'old' scenario, where a select few had possession of it, and were willing to divulge info about specific cars on request, but were not wanting to supply info which would allow fakes to be built.
(2) the current scenario, where a handful of people have handed over a large sum of money for the same information.
(3) the future scenario, where the information is freely available to those who are interested.
Scenario one worked OK, but could be time consuming to get info back.
Scenario 2 is dangerous, as it leaves the information in the hands of a few - most would undoubtedly be honest with it, but some may use it to try to make and sell fakes, and because the info is not accessible to all, they may get away with it on occasion - not good.
Scenario 3 is probably the best one, where everyone has access to the same info. If you're keen to buy a prospective car, at least you have the same info as everyone else to check it out.
I think that if people on the forum have paid $$ for a copy, then if they are willing to sell copies of it to make some of their money back, then so be it. The info is better off in the hands of everyone, than just some, and lets face it - the person who is selling the copies had it copied in the first place.
Just a thought - how about if Clubs in each state put up some $$ to buy copies at reasonable costs from forum members who bought them, to reimburse some of the original purchase price. Then the Clubs could decide what they wanted to do with the information - either use it as a reference source, or make it available to members?
#37
Posted 23 July 2006 - 04:25 PM
So there will be more and more around, Like I said $50 and getting cheaper.
#38 _draglc_
Posted 23 July 2006 - 04:36 PM
time will tell...
A1
#39
Posted 23 July 2006 - 05:50 PM
#40
Posted 23 July 2006 - 07:16 PM
i think dangerous is right a big help for a buyer and could save time or possibly save the buyer from missing out on a geniune car due to time delay in getting verification .
also those that contacted me , i,m not sure if you got my response as my pm
send messages had errors when i returned payment details , if you didn,t receive try shaunatwide.net.au (replace at with @)
thanks
#41
Posted 23 July 2006 - 08:30 PM
CHEERS Chris
#42 _bones_
Posted 23 July 2006 - 09:08 PM
Bones.
#43 _rorym_
Posted 24 July 2006 - 07:23 PM
Did you get my email or PM?
Rory
#44 _rorym_
Posted 24 July 2006 - 07:26 PM
R
Edited by rorym, 24 July 2006 - 07:31 PM.
#45
Posted 24 July 2006 - 07:32 PM
#46 _draglc_
Posted 24 July 2006 - 07:36 PM
Peter or millisa could have given it out at anytime.
I do agree though, it will most likely do more good than harm. Just still a bit sus on the guy selling though.
A1
#47
Posted 24 July 2006 - 09:48 PM
draglc- the info hasn't been readily available before as it was originally on microfiche. Not that user friendly if you haven't got the specialized equipment to reproduce it. Up until recently it was probably only possible to duplicate the info in the form of another microfilm. How many people have suitable viewers tucked away in their garages. Or print off each entry.. and as Shaun said 1600 pages (the Melb telephone book is about 1900 pages as a comparison!)
The ebay CD. At 1600 good quality pages someone has possibly spent a lot of time copying them or paid a decent amount of money to have it done. (I still remember only a few years ago having a 1920's slide film- 76 slides- put onto dvd. It cost quite a few hundred dollars- 1600 slides and I would have had to sell the house!) So 8 copies @ $250 may only be recouping costs, I don't know? If they continue to appear at that price, then maybe it's a rip off. You may think 40 copies @ $50 would have been a better way to go but as we have already seen copies soon multiply like rabbits and even $50 copies are soon under cut. A few quick sales were probably the only way of recouping costs- if that's what he was doing.
The info.
Personally I don't see a problem with the details being released. As those who know what details are recorded have already said- it is only used in the initial stages of identification- literally... is it a 2 door...... what does the VIN tag say. After that there are a multitude of questions/observations to be asked & made.
And remember it is only the 82911 tags that you need the details for- the 8D11 tags answer their own questions(except eng #'s).
It is unfair for a few to be on call 24/7 to verify numbers for all sorts of vehicles. If everone had that basic info available and knew to check the ADR tag with the chassis #, then 'those in the know' would get less requests and more possible genuine cars to do a full investigation on.
Well that's more than my 20 cents worth.....probably about a buck fifty!
jpxu1
#48 _draglc_
Posted 24 July 2006 - 10:26 PM
that said, i wouldnt mind a copy also
A1
#49 _a9xhatchback_
Posted 26 July 2006 - 08:05 PM
I'm glad i'm not on the market for a genuine fake XU1!!!!
That's my 2 cents worth!
#50
Posted 26 July 2006 - 08:37 PM
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