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[Rockoz]

If that's a fact Jason could you please back up your statement with something factual?

[EunUCh]

  does anyone even know of the writ that has been submitted to the High Court of Australia regarding our constitutional obligation

as a Commonwealth Country that was rejected by the Queen of England (Head of State,like it or not) on the steps of Parliament House in 1973 when the corporate thieves took over ?

The more we move away from the self preferred 2 party system and have someone/s in with a bit of "independent" common good in their bones...the better.

 

[Rockoz]

Run by Independents? What a nightmare that would be.

Thankfully the main parties are reasonably sane compared to Independents.

Have you actually looked at some of the policies they want to implement?

The Greens are bad enough, and they have way too much influence for a bunch of loonies.

Even that great PMs Ronald McDonald and Elmer Fudd we had for a while were railroaded by the Greenies just to get a standing government.

They are good for a little reality check though.

Pauline was ridiculed but then a lot of her suggestions ended up as policy.

Took a while.

Most politicians have never worked a real job, and lose touch with the real world.

They need a shake up every now and then.

Tony has an advantage their too. He interacts with real people whenever he can.

Cant beat hurry up and wait on a fireground to bring some good discussions.

[Rockoz]

Jason you still havent come up with anything factual.

Unless you are talking about something that happened even before I was born.

 

Trusting people with money is a good subject though for someone who blindly follows Labor.

Your great female PM assisted in ripping millions of dollars from the unions.

The unions let it happen and then wouldnt provide information to Police.

Now how could you ever trust anyone who helps steal that much money.

 

And your current leader is a rapist. Nice bloke to trust as well.

[Ice]

you could not trust the liberals with a jam jar full of 5 cent coins its a fact

You might need a small history lesson me thinks lets just say the last 35 years in this great country

[Dr Terry]

Half you blokes who are knocking unions have probably never even been in a union. You wouldn't know shit about what a union does and what benefits an ordinary working Australian gets from being a member. 

 

Hopefully this thread gets shut down as i'm sick of hearing this political crap on our forum.

I've been in several unions (unfortunately) & I find it difficult to think of anything that they have done for their members since the 70s, when they actually had a place in society.

 

Their main function these days seems to involve a lot of featherbedding, Craig Thompson, Bruce Wilson, Ms Gillard, Bill Shorten perhaps ???

 

Union membership is now around 13% of the workforce & sinking.

 

Dr Terry

[Dr Terry]

i have a lot of pommy friends and all of them hated thacther

There are not many politicians anywhere that keep everyone happy all of the time.

 

In her time she was very popular with the masses because she got the country out of debt & working again.

 

She was so much better for the country as a whole than her idiot predecessors, like Harold Wilson & James Callaghan who virtually brought the UK to its knees.

 

The 'poll tax' was her downfall.

 

Dr Terry

[yel327]

you could not trust the liberals with a jam jar full of 5 cent coins its a fact

 

Wow. Obviously you have no knowledge of NSW Labor for the long period prior to the current NSW Government. They even tried (and successfully did) backstab one of their own (Jodi McKay) who refused to take bribes from a developer. Not saying the alternative has a clean nose either, but Christ wake up and open your eyes!

[yel327]

Obviously you union was one of those crap unions. Our union has done plenty for us. They've doubled our pay in the last 6 years, got us travel money for ot not to mention a decent redundancy scheme.

Joining our union also gives you free ambulance cover, free legal and financial advice and also other benefits which escape me after a 12 hour night shift.

Not surprising union membership is that low really considering where manufacturings going in this country and major car companies pulling out. Dont get me wrong unions are not for everyone but without them a lot of families would be a lot worse off.

 

I agree with you that Unions have their place, and can do great things. But they should not be pulling the strings of the Federal or State leaders - to me doing that is the same as allowing the workers to run the Employer's business. I've also run into their BS tactics at Australian Standards committees, where it was obvious that the agenda was to make it impossible to do certain jobs without using 2 or 3 people rather than to make the tasks as safe and efficient as possible. If Unions stuck to what they were designed for then they'd have more respect and standing (in my opinion). Developers are banned from making political donations for a good reason, and I think that same reason should apply to Unions.

 

As Ian states there are corrupt business owners, but it still galls me that employees get to dictate to a business owner how to run their business. Good employees should be rewarded, bad ones should be not so rewarded or fired. This whole level playing field is silly. I get that in a big organisation the employer doesn't want to do pay negotiations with every single employee - it is far easier to do a collective agreement. But for a very small business owner the idea that they cannot easily have individual agreements with individual employees is wrong, and the fact that it isn't easy to dismiss an employee either is wrong. If I run a business that is my job, I run the risk of leaving an employer to work for myself, I work hard and the business name and reputation is my source of income. If I reply upon an employee to do certain tasks for me, like turn up to work on a Monday morning and open the doors, but that employee has a big night watching the footy and doesn't turn up - my customers blame me and my income suffers. If I can't easily fire that employee then we have a broken system.

[yel327]

Yel, as always you do make sense... but you only make sense of what the system is, that we work under now presently.... In years gone by workers did own the mills they worked in.... so things certainly have changed... and if you had looked at the research undertaken in the USA on Union vs Non Union work forces, you would have seen that the projects carried out by Union work forces, were far more productive... because it is Workers Wage Rate, Over Hour's, That Equals Cost ..... anyway the video is one page back, and it is a short video.... the research is there, it is independent.. I suggest you have a look..

But as I said in the last long winded post I put up..... Please do yourself a favor and watch The Four Horsemen.... It is not a documentry on Unions, or politics, It's about who controls the world, and the inevitable collapse of the monetary system we are now under.... It is Not a Conspiracy Theory, and it is not about blame, it is the story of who, and how the world is run, spoken by the people who know..... 1 hour 38 minutes it runs for, not long really to explain, the shit the baby boomer generation has left us with... yes thats right, my lot........... Greed has change people, and we don't even realize it... watch the 4 horsemen, understand, the problems will not change until the system changes... and it can only change if people are made aware of the REAL issues, and that can only happen if people want to learn & then change is possible..........

Ian...

I'll have a look at them, just have to get the time!

Yel, as always you do make sense... but you only make sense of what the system is, that we work under now presently.... In years gone by workers did own the mills they worked in.... so things certainly have changed... and if you had looked at the research undertaken in the USA on Union vs Non Union work forces, you would have seen that the projects carried out by Union work forces, were far more productive... because it is Workers Wage Rate, Over Hour's, That Equals Cost ..... anyway the video is one page back, and it is a short video.... the research is there, it is independent.. I suggest you have a look..

But as I said in the last long winded post I put up..... Please do yourself a favor and watch The Four Horsemen.... It is not a documentry on Unions, or politics, It's about who controls the world, and the inevitable collapse of the monetary system we are now under.... It is Not a Conspiracy Theory, and it is not about blame, it is the story of who, and how the world is run, spoken by the people who know..... 1 hour 38 minutes it runs for, not long really to explain, the shit the baby boomer generation has left us with... yes thats right, my lot........... Greed has change people, and we don't even realize it... watch the 4 horsemen, understand, the problems will not change until the system changes... and it can only change if people are made aware of the REAL issues, and that can only happen if people want to learn & then change is possible..........

Ian...

I'll have a look at them, just have to get the time!

[Rockoz]

Oh Dr Terry

Officially unionism is at around 13% but only because there are some workplaces especially in the public service arena where union membership is still compulsory.

If those areas were given a choice you would find that the figure would drop to below 10%.

Some unions are making themselves attractive to members with extras.

But overall in my experience it has been money down the drain.

They are pretty much redundant these days.

And dare I say it untrustworthy.

[EunUCh]

Give it your best shot Ricky !

 

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