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[yel327]

Fiction. GMH not GM made 202's.

[S pack]

Fiction. GMH not GM made 202's.

In that case, technically speaking, all GMP&A body shells should be GMHP&A shells.

[yel327]

GM Parts & Accessories was a division of General Motors Holden's Limited (ie GMH). So if you follow the chain up I guess you could call a HJ or an LH a GM vehicle and thus a 202 a GM engine, but we don't - they are HJ Holden and LH Torana and GMH (or Holden) 202 made by GMH. If it was a trivia question the answer is fiction!

[S pack]

Byron

 

So, General Motors Parts & Accessories was a division of General Motors - Holdens and General Motors - Holdens was/is a division of General Motors.

Agree we refer to our cars as Holdens not GM products although General Motors ultimately owns the lot.

 

Yes it was a Trivia question and your answer is probably correct, however, at the end of the day the GM reference was not the main focus of the question.

 

Dave.

[Dr Terry]

In May 1975 a GM 202 stripped engine cost $285.00 + Tax.

 

Fact or Fiction

What is a 'stripped' engine ?

 

Is that modern slang for a long motor, a short motor or a sub-assembly ?

 

Dr Terry

[yel327]

Byron

 

So, General Motors Parts & Accessories was a division of General Motors - Holdens and General Motors - Holdens was/is a division of General Motors.

Agree we refer to our cars as Holdens not GM products although General Motors ultimately owns the lot.

 

Yes it was a Trivia question and your answer is probably correct, however, at the end of the day the GM reference was not the main focus of the question.

 

Dave.

 

I agree Dave in the end GM had a finger in the pie. Using the same logic though you could call a 2000 Jaguar engine a Ford engine I guess. Today it would be a Tata engine. Also along the same lines a 2002 Daewoo engine would be a Holden engine as Holden Ltd were partial owners of Daewoo at the time.

 

In the end it wasn't the focus of your question - I thought you were actually being tricky! To the $ question, I reckon $285 plus probably 22% sales tax for an NL long engine (as shipped to the assembly plants from Fisherman's bend except no flex plate or bellhousing/clutch) sounds about right. It'd include 30 days warranty too from memory.

Edited by yel327, 16 September 2015 - 08:10 AM.

[EunUCh]

F or F ? GMH was a  team effort between coach builders (Holden body works etc.) in Australia and GM from Detroit ?

[Indy Orange]

Fact

[Dr Terry]

Fact

No, I say say Fiction (by definition) because by the 1930s, Holden Body Builders as they were named when they were taken over ("merged") with GM, they were no longer 'coach builders', the were automobile 'body builders'.

 

Dr Terry

[Indy Orange]

DAM!

[S pack]

What is a 'stripped' engine ?

 

Is that modern slang for a long motor, a short motor or a sub-assembly ?

 

Dr Terry

Dr Terry

 

I'm surprised you are not familiar with 'Stripped Engines' from your extensive research into all things GM-H.

 

The following information is extracted from GMP&A News Page 228, March 1975:

Genuine GM stripped 173 ci H/Comp & 202 ci H/Comp engines to suit only HQ manual vehicles consist of the following:-

New - Short Motor

New - Cylinder Head

New - Oil Pump & Filter

New - Crankshaft Pulley

New - Rocker Cover

New - Sump

New - AC Spark Plugs

Genuine GM stripped engines are freely available and are fully warranted. 

 

Holden Dealers were being encouraged to market these engines to owners of high mileage HQ manual vehicles as a better alternative to a reconditioned engine.

 

The list price of a Genuine GM stripped 173 ci HC engine was $533.00

The list price of a Genuine GM stripped 202 ci HC engine was $493.00

(Add sales tax where applicable)

 

Cheers

Dave.

[yel327]

I've never heard of it either. Not sure why they called them stripped rather than long engines? Unless this was the first time they tried it and it didn't work so they didn't do it again?

Funny that the 173 is dearer yet you paid to upgrade to a 202 on some HQ and HJ models.

[S pack]

I think they called them stripped engines because they would send the dealer all the components (as listed) and the dealer had to assemble them into a long motor.

[TerrA LX]

Confused, if they are new parts shipped out to be assembled then how were they stripped in the first place?
 

[myss427]

First time I have seen a big block cheaper than a small block!

[Dr Terry]

No, I've never heard of them before.

 

The 'stripped' description is a bit odd too, it's more like a partial engine 'kit'.

 

Even more strange is that there are no gaskets or bolts listed. Are they extras, or does the mechanic have to purchase gaskets separately & re-use all the old bolts ?

 

They supply new spark plugs, oil filter & front pulley (harmonic balancer ?) but no oil pick-up, timing cover or thermostat housing !!

 

Dr Terry

[Dr Terry]

Mostly fiction. 

 

If a gasket wasn't easily available off the shelf, there were many types of gasket paper available where you could make your own, if required. 

 

Dr Terry

[Rockoz]

Fact or Fiction

 

You can use wood for pistons

[S pack]

No, I've never heard of them before.

 

The 'stripped' description is a bit odd too, it's more like a partial engine 'kit'.

 

Even more strange is that there are no gaskets or bolts listed. Are they extras, or does the mechanic have to purchase gaskets separately & re-use all the old bolts ?

 

They supply new spark plugs, oil filter & front pulley (harmonic balancer ?) but no oil pick-up, timing cover or thermostat housing !!

 

Dr Terry

Someone must have had a light bulb moment and come up with "stripped" to describe the un-assembled engine packages.

 

I presume the Dealerships' mechanics would just rob the old engine of any parts and bolts needed for the new engine and grab the gaskets etc from the spare parts bins.

 

Cheers

Dave.

[wot179]

Fact or Fiction.

A perfectly serviceable thermostat housing gasket can be made from a Cornflakes box.

[Indy Orange]

An FJ Holden will run on Kero .F or F.

[rodomo]

Fiction. I was called to a dedicated LPG Commodore recently with a flat tyre. It didn't have a spare but it did have a can of goop and a compressor. Problem was it went flat at 110kph on the freeway and by the time he got into the service lane the tyre was trashed. The goop would not of fixed it and I doubt whether a field of freshly slashed grass would have fixed the side wall.

An FJ Holden will run on Kero .F or F.

Fact