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Posted 31 March 2016 - 12:20 AM

Don't forget that the M-21 and banjo were thrashed around Bathurst for 6 hours in the XU1s and the SLR 5000s. They also had the loads of whopping great slicks. But if you are inclined to drop the clutch ever bloody corner and traffic light; they will bust regularly. With the 6, M-21 and banjo you wont need an engineer to have to sign off on that. The 6 can work well if you match up everything especially on a small budget.

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Posted 31 March 2016 - 12:28 AM

the lc 6 cylinder only came out with the 161.173.186.


No shit read it properly

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Posted 31 March 2016 - 04:14 PM

thanks to ice bomber and r2160 for answering my question. lc69  go the black!!!!!!



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Posted 31 March 2016 - 05:29 PM

So would a virgin black 202 be the best place to start?


Ideally a red 202 (to avoid the blue/black emissions requirements) with a rope rear main seal (if you want to run the blue/black counter weighted crank)



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Posted 31 March 2016 - 05:36 PM


Ideally a red 202 (to avoid the blue/black emissions requirements) with a rope rear main seal (if you want to run the blue/black counter weighted crank)


No one would ever know once you paint it red ffs

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Posted 31 March 2016 - 06:04 PM

Or u can machine the crank seal area to suit a neo seal block

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Posted 31 March 2016 - 06:15 PM

Today you'll find the only time it matters if you are Engineering something, like a red-blue-black 202 in an FC or something like that, where the Engineer would make you fit pollution gear in line with what the engine had - just like with a V6 conversion (but later emissions stuff for those). Or if you happened to get picked on by an overzealous EPA/TRA inspection but the chances of that are slim unless you are driving around like a d1ckhead or get defected and have to do some sort of formal pit inspection.



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Posted 31 March 2016 - 07:57 PM

in your reply it said no they didnt then 3 lines down you said come out with 202 lc.it seems like it was 2 answers.



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Posted 31 March 2016 - 08:31 PM

in your reply it said no they didnt then 3 lines down you said come out with 202 lc.it seems like it was 2 answers.


Yes i wrote it wrong but i thought everybody understood that

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Posted 31 March 2016 - 08:33 PM

ok



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Posted 31 March 2016 - 08:41 PM

So it does say "model" when talking about equivalent engine replacements.
And question one might be hard to answer honestly if someone is going to look under the bonnet to verify the swap.
I'm under the impression it wouldn't need a mod plate but still requires certification?
Never done an engine swap, so any advice would be appreciated.

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Posted 31 March 2016 - 08:43 PM

Tony is your car licensed

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Posted 31 March 2016 - 08:52 PM

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Tony is your car licensed


Yes it is.
However, I'm in the middle of a brake upgrade that will need to be engineered.

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Posted 31 March 2016 - 08:59 PM

Build your engine and fill the form in for a engine number change don't over complicate things mate
brakes are a different story

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Posted 01 April 2016 - 06:10 AM

So it does say "model" when talking about equivalent engine replacements.
And question one might be hard to answer honestly if someone is going to look under the bonnet to verify the swap.
I'm under the impression it wouldn't need a mod plate but still requires certification?
Never done an engine swap, so any advice would be appreciated.
 

 

I know, the use of model rather than series is very confusing. If you were stuck with only using the engines optional for the model you'd have situations like if you had a 6cyl HQ Statesman, there was no optional engine for that model. Or in HT 80737 GTS, there was no optional engine - only 186S as V8 GTS was a separate model (80837), yet in HK GTS the 307 was optional as 6cyl and V8 were the same model (80737). What they really mean is series, as in the largest optional engine in HK, HQ, LC etc series. I asked one of the Engineers that helped write that COP and he told me that is what is intended. So in theory you can't fit a 202 to an LC without Engineering, but it is a no brainer for the Engineer as long as you have the same componentry as an LJ had with the 202 (brakes, suspension etc) and it will always be less powerful than a CK 186 XU1 unless you build a hot 202. If it is an issue just buy and old 186P or 186A block, they are still cheap, and get a 202 crank mains ground down then rebuild it. Voila, a 202.



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Posted 01 April 2016 - 08:09 AM

go a 1JZ mate that what im doingeasy as just need mod plate u got brakes done and easy as

 

Give this Man a call he is doing mine.

 

running 1JZ twin turbo BW diff LH brakes and 13's and its all going to be legal

 

http://www.modplate.com.au/


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Posted 01 April 2016 - 07:28 PM

I want to keep the concept reasonably period correct, so no 1JZ for this one. Even if it does make sense, it's just not me.
Thanks for the link, that will come in handy.

So looks like in need to think about a 202 build.
Sounds like there are some good recipes around.

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Posted 01 April 2016 - 07:34 PM

No they didnt

Come out with 202 LCs


Do you do Engrish ?

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Posted 01 April 2016 - 07:34 PM

Thanks for the info by the way guys.

I'm convinced, just need to plan the build now.

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Posted 01 April 2016 - 08:09 PM

ANOTHER VICTORY FOR THE SIX BANGER CROWD!!!

 

I'll drink to that. 



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Posted 01 April 2016 - 08:14 PM

ANOTHER VICTORY FOR THE SIX BANGER CROWD!!!
 
I'll drink to that. 

Me to

Do you do Engrish ?


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Posted 01 April 2016 - 08:40 PM

Lol, you twisted my arm

So.....

202 black motor
Std crank and rods
ACL flat top Pistons
A good machine job and some attention to detail by the sounds of it.

A good head, any proven combos?
Work the 12 port or Yella-Terra?
Roller rockers....Best option here? Shaft mounted?
Springs, valves?
Any good QLD builders that could pull this together?

A magical solid cam, to be selected by someone with more expertise than me.
Something in this area I guess:
Slightly warmer, rough idle but still fairly civilised - 215 to 225deg @ 0.050", 0.4" to 0.44" lift
Hot barely streetable cam - 230 to 240deg @ 0.050", 0.44" to 0.48" lift

Triple Webbers, Proven combo?

Headers, HM9C or something similar.

Std HEI distributor.

Some good accessories and a tune.

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Posted 01 April 2016 - 08:47 PM

If your in brissy have a chat to Greens Nice, Kevy Brown. 

 

IMO 250 @ .050 is still perfectly streetable, my new cam is 263 @ .050" and I intend to street it when the engine is finally back from the machine shop. So reconsider your cam choices. 

 

Give us a budget and we will throw ideas from there, but what i'd look at would be something like blue block, crank, rods, Dont think you can get ACL flat tops anymore so probably looking at SRP forged slugs to get a flat top piston with thin rings, think its the only thing off the shelf. Get someone like kev to look over the 12 port, a basic 180 CFM job souldnt cost you to much. Either webbers or 2" SU's if you must go triples but a 500 holley spun 90 degrees on the blue motor intake manifold ala oj style would work, according to oj atleast. 240-250 on the cam. Stick with 1 1/2" pipes, so HM HM9's, not the C, or probably better pacemakers as there 6-2-1 and shoudl give you a bit more torque....

 

Million and five ways to go though. 



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Posted 01 April 2016 - 08:57 PM

 Either webbers or 2" SU's if you must go triples but a 500 holley spun 90 degrees on the blue motor intake manifold ala oj style would work, according to oj atleast. 

 

The modified blue manifold is pretty good as far as a single carb goes - up to a point. Very good distribution, torquey, very good mileage. But beyond that point - and if we're talking 250 or so at 0.050" we've gone past it - you'll be a long way behind triples.



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Posted 01 April 2016 - 09:03 PM

Thanks mate, gold.

I'm thinking around 8k, but i have time on my side.
I'd rather do it right the first time.

I actually like the idea of the Webbers.
Lets face it, they look impressive compared to a Holley.




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