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Posted 28 January 2009 - 10:36 AM

hi guys,i found thhis when i was looking for info.not sure how correct as i dont know much about them.
http://holden.itgo.com/gtrxu1.html

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Posted 28 January 2009 - 11:09 AM

There are so many errors on that page I don't know where to start.....

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Posted 28 January 2009 - 11:44 AM

Guys Im not really an XU1 type fan although I have read the whole thread as I like the controversy that was created all those years ago is still ongoing.

I do have an original LH service manual and looked for page 80 or whatever.
It is actually section 1-77 which shows the sticker locations for the slr 5000 and it does look like on the front guard it says XU-2 however on the back is SLR5000.

an engine number ending with 308 seems a little funny though dont you think??

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Posted 02 February 2009 - 05:08 PM

after working for nissan car plant, melbourne, I can see how some things can come about.
engineering had many test cars, when finished, these things more often than not sat out in the weather in the furthest part of the car park till they were disposed of.
this often involved giving them away, some as drag cars, school auto dept projects, including the tip.
I can also confirm maintenance used many as run arounds within the factory, was quite a sight after engineering made some modifications/tests, then maintenance had a go at it.
they also used them as pickup cars, that is drive drivers to one car park, they all drive a car to new location, then taxied back.

performance cars were always the first cars to get recycled to a new job, find it hard to beleive any large company wasting time wrecking something it could use internally, let alone tart up for sale.
who knows where some things end up, you might be staggered at the number of cars a big company could possibly misplace in a year.
never seen again.

long live the XU2

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Posted 07 February 2009 - 08:32 PM

Hi people,im a newbe and an oldie, Im lookin for a lc gtrxu1 i sold it in the 1980"s,in brisbane north side,i like tof ine it and buyit back,if possible,and yes it was a real one,it was crashed at lakeside raceway in 1979 lefthand rear quater panal,colour was then was yellow with black bonnet ,i got it for $800 and restored it to it original colour, linta mint green,year lc10/1971,,id plates stamped inwards [not outwards like normal cars] no heater box, no reverse in rear tail light and no reverse switch, gearbox was a real early m20 close ratio.i heard it goes to the some of the show and swapmeets. Iknow their is not many of these around 1 colour and the other 10/1971,i have many pictures and a huge one a3 size framed of it. cheers.

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Posted 07 February 2009 - 09:00 PM

Inward stamp means it was an Adelaide built car.
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Posted 07 February 2009 - 09:20 PM

Inward stamp means it was an Adelaide built car.
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thanks.
, i did 2years as apprenticeship with gmh in the early 80's but kicking my self for not finishing it..now im in the 40's dam. only if we could see in the future,

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Posted 08 February 2009 - 08:39 PM

Hi people,im a newbe and an oldie, Im lookin for a lc gtrxu1 i sold it in the 1980"s,in brisbane north side,i like tof ine it and buyit back,if possible,and yes it was a real one,it was crashed at lakeside raceway in 1979 lefthand rear quater panal,colour was then was yellow with black bonnet ,i got it for $800 and restored it to it original colour, linta mint green,year lc10/1971,,id plates stamped inwards [not outwards like normal cars] no heater box, no reverse in rear tail light and no reverse switch, gearbox was a real early m20 close ratio.i heard it goes to the some of the show and swapmeets. Iknow their is not many of these around 1 colour and the other 10/1971,i have many pictures and a huge one a3 size framed of it. cheers.



sounds like it was a rare ck xu1 and a great colour as well, 10.1971

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 04:38 PM

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Edited by xu2308, 17 February 2018 - 03:27 AM.


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Posted 19 April 2009 - 10:06 AM

G/Day Allan
As we know Holden offically cancelled the LJ V8 XU-1 on Friday the 30th of June 1972.

In the following month of July Holden only completed a total of 8 LJ XU-1,s

Adelaide 7
Brisbane 1

These 8 LJ XU-1,s also brought the total of LJ XU-1,s built up to 600, thus completing homologation 1/1V Detroit Locker.

According to Harry Firth homologation 1/1V Detroit Locker was allways intended to be used in conjunction with the next batch of cars which was supposedly going to be the LJ V8 XU-1 until cancelled.

Get the picture : 5 Litre V8 plus a Detroit Locker (What a beast it would have been) XU-2 vs Phase IIII vs Charger 340 (What a Bathurst that would of been)

So the question must be asked as to what did happen to the 200 odd LJ V8 XU-1 shells

We know they used the wheels (Sprintmasters) on the following batches of cars, but what did happen to those 200 odd LJ V8 XU-1 shells.....................

A little more food for thought...................

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Posted 19 April 2009 - 10:27 AM

If you look closely at the dual exhaust brackets you will notice that they have been painted in the same paint as the floor pan which still retains some of the original paint. There have been suggestions that the exhaust brackets look aftermarket but how do we explain the factory paint on them. Im still researching this cars history and to date still know nothing about its first 13 years history.........

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Posted 19 April 2009 - 10:53 AM

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Posted 19 April 2009 - 11:44 AM

Hi Fly
yes the Detroit Locker,did any detroit locker Banjo centers end up in any LJ XU-1's(1972 Bathurst Special's etc)
Regards Allan


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Answer : No

Quote :

Final Drive - Variation in supplier. Vehicles will be equipped at random with either "Detroit No Spin" or "Borg Warner Limited slip" differential units.

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EQUIPPED AT RANDOM : They were smart, Put simply Holden needed only to produce 200 basically indentical units and the race teams got there Detroit Lockers.

From August there were another 3 homologations :

2/2V 10-08-1972 (Sprintmasters)
4/4V 10-08-1972 (Track)
5/5V 29-08-1972 (Cam XJ, Lightened Flywheel, Springs & 3.55 Diff Ratio)

These 3 homologations required a minimum of 700 cars be built 200 (2/2V), 200 (4/4V) and 300 (5/5V) gearbox and diff ratios required 100 cars be built per ratio

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Though in the month of August Holden did complete nearly 200 LJ XU-1,s

Nearly 300 in the month of September

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Posted 19 April 2009 - 01:27 PM

OK Allan............

Im gunna put you on the spot !!!

1/1V Bathurst XU-1 or not ?


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Posted 19 April 2009 - 03:53 PM

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Edited by xu2308, 17 February 2018 - 03:30 AM.


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Posted 17 May 2009 - 07:38 PM

Fly Again. FYI
I used to own an 82911 bodied SMP LJ in Tasmania about 10 years ago.
i am fairly sure its body number was ALJ06561A. Definately 5 / 72 build.
This car has a colourfull past and went thru the drug culture scene and was repossed several times before i swapped a running licenced EH ute for it.
one of these owners held onto the VIN, and i never did track it down. so i only had the 2 tags, so i knew it was a minimum of a GTR.
Back in its day during the 1980's this car had a Notorious reputation around Launceston as a fast car, + lots of trouble and everyone had a story to tell about it.

it had about 8 owners from 1999 to 2000. before i got it minus all running gear thats when i got it and finally put it together.
I sold it to a guy in hobart, and it was running a worked 186 + CD 175'S AND a rare 2.32 1st gear M21! 3.08 fine spine centre and nibbless rims.
it also had, at this time a LC GTR interior in black.

I was told it went to a surburb in Hobart called Moonah, where, they guy pulled the motor out and put a V8 in it.
I remember speaking to ALDO about it, when i rang chasing parts for it thru the then PARTS PEDDLER.

My Mother has some photos of this car in Tasmania somewhere...

does anyone know of this car?

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Posted 17 May 2009 - 10:03 PM

hi adam...do you have a build date on your car????
if not whats the vin?????

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Posted 17 May 2009 - 11:06 PM

Hmm was reading a mag the other day and they defined an XU-2 as an LC/LJ with a 308??
is this correct.

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Posted 18 May 2009 - 08:45 AM

hi adam...do you have a build date on your car????
if not whats the vin?????


yes, it was a 5/72 car from Adelaide
as stated, this car never had a vin and was very contiversial with XU-1 owners at the time in TAS as it had alot of Genuine XU-1 parts.

One of the main reasons i just gave the details is that one guy in Tas told me that Chas Kelly brought the pink XU2 to TAS and raced it down there for years.
And mine did have a V8 in it for a while prior to me owning it minus motor and box.
just more fuel for the fire.!!

my gut feeling was though that this car was a rebodied XU-1 when i had it.

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Posted 18 May 2009 - 11:20 AM

Hmm was reading a mag the other day and they defined an XU-2 as an LC/LJ with a 308??
is this correct.

Some people believe it to be. But, officially the LJ XU-1 V8 was just that, an XU-1 V8. However it was called project XW-7 internally.

XU-2 is the option number for an LH/LX SL/R5000. As a matter of fact, Holden originally intended the SL/R5000 to be badged as 'XU-2" but all the negative publicity from the supercar scare made Holden shy away from anything associated with the XU-1 nameplate.

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Posted 18 May 2009 - 07:49 PM

Just an out there point..and I am not having a dig..but people keep referring to the 200 bodies for the XU1 V8...I personally would doubt there were 200 bodies sitting made up ready to go...I would guess a hand full at best...then when it was canned the rest of the bodies...not in production yet...would just be done as normal XU1s and would be the same as a std XU1 body with no tell tale signs of any V8 mods or did i miss something?..As I said..just a thought..
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Posted 19 May 2009 - 10:33 AM

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Posted 19 May 2009 - 05:53 PM

ADAM hi its aldo its nice to hear from u
give me a ring on 0419509447 regarding the smp torana u used to own

regards aldo

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Posted 20 May 2009 - 01:47 PM

Hi Guys.

It's unlikely that GM-H had 200 V8 XU-1 "shells" just sitting around. You hear this same comment with the HX LE coupes. They say GM-H made the LE to get rid of the 600+ unused bodyshells. This was not the case. They would not have been complete. GM-H would possibly have had the components to build 200 V8 XU-1s (or 600+ LEs), but they would not have had them assembled. Where would you put them, you would need an area like the MCG to store them.

If you break an LJ body shell into individual parts, which ones would be unique to a V8 XU-1, if any ?

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Posted 20 May 2009 - 06:05 PM

Pretty much my thoughts Terry.
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