CHOPPER said:What do you plan to do with it engine wise?
I have a complete and running VK EFI 3.3 in the garage with the computer etc. At this point in time, that's the engine going in.
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Posted 13 January 2006 - 07:17 PM
didnt see the 6" bit just saw you were after 13 or 14". I still need to check the rims correctly as i was just asuming there 7" wide.
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Posted 13 January 2006 - 07:21 PM
I didn't say 13" or 14", I said a MINIMUM of 13". I'll take a couple of 15" rims if they show up. Anyway, the size should be stamped on the inside of the rim. If they are only 6" wide, I'll have a look at them. I'm only interested if they are an EXACT visual match. I already have a pair of non matching front rims, I don't need any more.
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Posted 13 January 2006 - 09:42 PM
The Commodores at Bathurst were probably slower with the teams coming to grips with McPherson struts. We'll never know but I'd like to think a UC A10?X would have went quicker. Its all bulls*** anyway, as long as a HOLDEN won!
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The following pic was taken about 30 mins ago.
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Entire driveline has been removed.
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Posted 14 January 2006 - 06:51 PM
CHOPPER said:What do you plan to do with it engine wise?
I have a complete and running VK EFI 3.3 in the garage with the computer etc. At this point in time, that's the engine going in.
What do you plan to do with it engine wise?
Are you going to stick with the 202? What times do you plan to run?
Sorry, I did read the thread first, I just wanted to know if you were planning to keep the 202 or if you plan on changing to something else later on for racing? How fast do you plan to go?
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Posted 14 January 2006 - 08:33 PM
Speed costs money, I can't afford to go very fast ATM. I'm aiming for sub 14 seconds.
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Posted 14 January 2006 - 09:24 PM
Wil this be ready for the gmh-day?
14's? Thats quick what are u doin to the 202? plans?
14's? Thats quick what are u doin to the 202? plans?
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It all depends on how I spend my spare time. It's possible, but I wouldn't be giving any real indication until the end of Feb.
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Posted 17 January 2006 - 12:09 AM
how much do you think it will cost to run 13's in 1300kg. Got lot's of money, it cost more than a few thousand to built any engine. Then it cost shit loads, keeping them together too. Find a smaller car or big engine. You should listen to yourself, (it cost shit loads to go fast). Looking at the big picture how fast do you think you can go with a big car and small engine. 12s you would need $10,000 in a UC. You can buy a 13second, trading post car for $3000 any week. Not trying to stick it up you, but if the money is tight and you have kids. A 1300kg car and six, isn't the way to go. You will get bored in 3mins with the UC.
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Posted 17 January 2006 - 02:29 PM
i can't believe a 202 in a UC weighs 1300kgs, my LH is only like 1132kg or something like that .....
sub 14's with a 202 i don't think will be overly hard .... you'll probably want to be getting close to 200hp at the flywheel to be doing those times though ....
if the UC is 1300kg then you might even need more HP ...
all i can say is go hard with the 202 and EFI, its what i have and i love it!
sub 14's with a 202 i don't think will be overly hard .... you'll probably want to be getting close to 200hp at the flywheel to be doing those times though ....
if the UC is 1300kg then you might even need more HP ...
all i can say is go hard with the 202 and EFI, its what i have and i love it!
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Posted 17 January 2006 - 02:50 PM
Uhh... 1300kgs does not sound right. I thought the UC was lightened and weakened a bit because it wasn't made with a V8. Even if a UC does weigh that much, you could get it down to 1100kgs pretty easily IMO.
Non-intrusion bar gutted doors, no back seat, only use skin of bonnet and bootlid... it's a bit of bgucking around but it will be worth it. A UC does not weigh 1300kgs, I know it was lightened after the LH-LX Models because they knew the UC would never be produced with a V8.
Non-intrusion bar gutted doors, no back seat, only use skin of bonnet and bootlid... it's a bit of bgucking around but it will be worth it. A UC does not weigh 1300kgs, I know it was lightened after the LH-LX Models because they knew the UC would never be produced with a V8.
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Posted 17 January 2006 - 09:16 PM
Once I post a time slip, we shall see who is laughing then.how much do you think it will cost to run 13's in 1300kg. Got lot's of money, it cost more than a few thousand to built any engine. Then it cost shit loads, keeping them together too. Find a smaller car or big engine. You should listen to yourself, (it cost shit loads to go fast). Looking at the big picture how fast do you think you can go with a big car and small engine. 12s you would need $10,000 in a UC. You can buy a 13second, trading post car for $3000 any week. Not trying to stick it up you, but if the money is tight and you have kids. A 1300kg car and six, isn't the way to go. You will get bored in 3mins with the UC.
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Back on topic.........
The UC is now a bare shell. The bad news is I found rust. The good news is I seemed to have hit the jackpot!
The rust is located in both rear quarters, underneath the rear screen and underneath where the battery used to be. Pics should be up this weekend. This obviously will slow things down a bit, but it shouldn't affect the budget by more than a couple of hundred bucks. The next step is a big clean up and the re-installation of the rear suspension.
The UC is now a bare shell. The bad news is I found rust. The good news is I seemed to have hit the jackpot!
The rust is located in both rear quarters, underneath the rear screen and underneath where the battery used to be. Pics should be up this weekend. This obviously will slow things down a bit, but it shouldn't affect the budget by more than a couple of hundred bucks. The next step is a big clean up and the re-installation of the rear suspension.
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Posted 17 January 2006 - 09:44 PM
hey chopper i dont think anyones laughin but a 14second 202 gutted torana is still a snail in anyones language....
Go to pickles auctions, i picked up a VB comodore with 308 trimatic runns realy well for $450 a few months back.. That would bring your times up mega and is very low budget. Like mentioned Befor to get a 202 in a light torana to do sub14s will need at least 200hp and to get that HP from a 202 you will need more then $500. Another trick is to get some gears from a 4cylinder UC or comodore , i think they run 3.9s. that should help to and cost next to nuthing..
Good luck with it anyway man..
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Go to pickles auctions, i picked up a VB comodore with 308 trimatic runns realy well for $450 a few months back.. That would bring your times up mega and is very low budget. Like mentioned Befor to get a 202 in a light torana to do sub14s will need at least 200hp and to get that HP from a 202 you will need more then $500. Another trick is to get some gears from a 4cylinder UC or comodore , i think they run 3.9s. that should help to and cost next to nuthing..
Good luck with it anyway man..
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Posted 17 January 2006 - 10:12 PM
It will have 200+ HP before it's fitted.
I have the 3.9 gears.
Sub 14 seconds is HSV territory.
Have you posted a time slip yet?
I have the 3.9 gears.
Sub 14 seconds is HSV territory.
Have you posted a time slip yet?
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Have you posted a time slip yet?
Hahahahahhahahahahha, now im laughin, hahahahahah
nah man i havnt posted a time slip yet, havnt raced this torana as its not finished and theres no point posting time slips of my old toranas wich i don own anymore now is there.
When your ready chopper bring it on!!! lol..
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Posted 17 January 2006 - 10:31 PM
I know a HSV has a lot more weight, but it still has a lot more power also. I have no doubt that you can pull this off, I still think it's a pretty tall ask from a 202, but it definately can be done. That actually sounds very cool... a hot 202 drag car with a ridiculous diff gear... inspiration for my car to get some power haha 
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i just had a think..
yes sub14s is HSV teritory but a HSV is a fully loaded streeter with more luxury then the queens palace.. you UC sounds like its gona be a gutted out race car only. not the same thing is it?
You say your 202 is gona have 200hp befor it goes back in, from memory you also said your using the original computer from the VK. The ECU a VK uses is fuel only computer and doesnt controll the ign. And from what iv studdied cant be remapped as they are the first EFI holden used and i also doubt that the stocky injectors are capable of 200hp too. the only way i can see a 202 VK efi motor to make 200+hp would be with a decent head port job and a nice cam profile. to run this gear you will need a decent ECU and your cheapest bet would be to use a Delco like in VNs and camiras. that alone would cost you in eccess of $1000 to remap and wire eveni f you did most of it your self.. and dont forget the price of some biger injectors, a cheap injector solution would be to find a injector of a big 4cylinder car wich is biger in cc to the VK one and fit the fuelrail..
If you consider after market engine managment your $$$ will go up and up.
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yes sub14s is HSV teritory but a HSV is a fully loaded streeter with more luxury then the queens palace.. you UC sounds like its gona be a gutted out race car only. not the same thing is it?
You say your 202 is gona have 200hp befor it goes back in, from memory you also said your using the original computer from the VK. The ECU a VK uses is fuel only computer and doesnt controll the ign. And from what iv studdied cant be remapped as they are the first EFI holden used and i also doubt that the stocky injectors are capable of 200hp too. the only way i can see a 202 VK efi motor to make 200+hp would be with a decent head port job and a nice cam profile. to run this gear you will need a decent ECU and your cheapest bet would be to use a Delco like in VNs and camiras. that alone would cost you in eccess of $1000 to remap and wire eveni f you did most of it your self.. and dont forget the price of some biger injectors, a cheap injector solution would be to find a injector of a big 4cylinder car wich is biger in cc to the VK one and fit the fuelrail..
If you consider after market engine managment your $$$ will go up and up.
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Posted 17 January 2006 - 11:05 PM
I was talking to an old sheet metal teacher from swinburne last week and he told me that the sheet metal went from 1mm to .8mm as the Commodores were first produced. This would also include UC I would think?
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Hey CHOP, when's it gonna be ready?
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Posted 18 January 2006 - 12:23 AM
going to need more than 0.8 sheet metal. Maybe that's why you need paint stripper, bare metal dragcar. It should save another 20 kilos. Why not a HB and cut the firewall to fit a six. It would to to be under the 1000kg with the motor. Chopper, there is a saying. Can't go fast with no money, unless you steal it. Are you using the UC because you got it for stuff all. Because if that's the case, I will gave you a $100 toward a 4dr lc/lj shell. Wasteing your time, it's too heavy. If you had lots of money and wanted to prove a point, fair enough. You need more than an ugly UC and efi202 to go where you want to go. If 8litre, puts a towbar on the big block and tows you and the car down the 1/4, with the efi202 in the boot, then a think it will happen.
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Posted 18 January 2006 - 12:51 AM
i piss 14 seconds lol, my 5L uc will do 14s when its done but im aiming for 12s
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Posted 18 January 2006 - 12:52 AM
Ohh FFS. He's obviously thought about it long and hard and he is convinced that that is what he wants to do. If he wanted to solely go fast then he would have thought about it and bought a Gem instead. Maybe he wants to be working on a UC instead. That's what I would be thinking.
Ease up on flaming him, it is his choice and I reckon he can pull it off. No, it won't be exceptionally fast and it'll take a lot of bgucking around to get right but it will be worth it in the end. What would you prefer? a 13Sec Gem or a 14Sec UC? - I at least like to be able to fit in my car.
Ease up on flaming him, it is his choice and I reckon he can pull it off. No, it won't be exceptionally fast and it'll take a lot of bgucking around to get right but it will be worth it in the end. What would you prefer? a 13Sec Gem or a 14Sec UC? - I at least like to be able to fit in my car.
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