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[knoath]

Although I haven't been to either, it's no wonder the Muscle Car Masters is such a hit.....

Don't think I'd ever bother with the Nats now, would love to get to the Masters though.
I've been to Bathurst a few times... sounds like a day care centre compared to the Nats!!!

Doesn't sound like many enjoyed it... and the ones that did probably don't remember!!!

Edit: I must be getting old!!!

Edited by knoath, 08 January 2008 - 06:43 AM.

[REDA9X]

Just watched the local news, great footage of an Islander flogging a pissed idiot, then kicking him when he was on the ground.

Chic's response ? Maybe he was provoked ?

Chic also went on to state he would not even consider an alcohol ban.... "that would ruin the event"

I also heard from another source that Gary Myers and his car got touched up.

Interesting times.

He won't consider an alchohol ban because they are a major sponsor, it's a joke, you can't take alcohol in, but you can buy it there. Whats the point!?! I know one guywho has won Street Machine of the year twice who will never attend ever again after having his car damaged , and another guy who had his car damaged who will also never go again. We are talking about very expensive vehicles here, it really is unacceptable for the guys who pour their heart and soul into their cars to have them damaged at a major event. Has anyone noticed the trade stands have died off from what they were a few years ago too...
Tits and burnouts are all good, I don't see a problem with that, if a girl wants to get them out or wear something that shows them off, it's all good. Same goes for burnouts, if it's a safe environment, all good. What I don't agree with is guys abbusing girls that won't show themselves or damaging guys cars who will not do a burnout as they cruise around.

[REDA9X]

Although I haven't been to either, it's no wonder the Muscle Car Masters is such a hit.....

Don't think I'd ever bother with the Nats now, would love to get to the Masters though.

Isn't that the event where that XT falcon did a couple of burnouts on a parade lap and everyone wet their pants about it for the next 3 months? It's too far the other way. You can't win! It's either too square or too bogan.

EDIT: Actually you can win, its called powercruise!

Yes, thats the event, but it was more to it than just doing a burnout. It's simple, burnouts are not allowed at the Masters. For some reason, the GT club got a briefing prior to the laps, no other club did. According to the GT guys they were told no passing, no stationary burnouts but put on a show. One member took put on a show to be do a burnout. That member then entered the track, passed 5 or six cars so he was at the lead and in front of his mate who had the video camera. He then proceeded to carry out a burnout, and it was a big burnout, I was few cars back and all I could see was smoke. Now, he was removed and the rest of us lost our track time. Mark Oastler then wrote in AMC about a car that appeared to be having some trouble as it was blowing a lot of smoke, it was his attempt to lighten the subject and not offend anyone by saying basically if it wasn't a problem with the car then please don't do burnouts. The GT club then went on the warpath, defending it's member and abusing Mark and anyone who dared say they were wrong. They posted videos on youtube, but they only showed the lap, not the main burnout. They were in the wrong simple as that and there was a lot more to it that I will not repeat as I was told in confidence. Be it at the Summernats or any other event, burnouts and alike are for controlled environments simple as that due to public liability, I think some people seem to forget that fact.

[orangeLJ]

My old man has gone on about the nats and the shit that goes on for years.

I've harped on for years and years about going and he always says the same thing "too many drunk dickheads, car theives and people wanting to damage your shit"

I always thought it was a bit BS and he was just getting old/too conservative.

I really think he was just sick of the shit before anyone else was!

My missus now wants to go, and tried to tell me i was worrying too much about what goes on. I think i was right to say no.

Street machining and custom car culture is (in my opinion) these days more about the family side of things, and also the amount of females in the sport is growing (be that sport burnouts, motorkahna, or anything)

I think a little more respect is needed all round.

Alchohol seems to just turn things to shit.

I wasn't at Bathurst last year, but did the 1 carton ban do any good?

maybe a similar idea can be utilised (in a smaller amount obviously)

[LXCHEV]

What I think needs to happen if anything is to change, is for all the big dollar, big name cars to boycott the Nats next year, and for all those big name people to absolutely flood Chic Henry with letters, feedback, and video's/evidence where possible. That is a real shame that stuff like that is allowed to happen.... the inconsistency with the security guys is a real problem.

Stuff taking a car to the Nats when there's such a chance of some drunk bogan damaging it. That's what really pisses me off... the real hard-core screaming drunks that have no respect for the cars or the girls at all.... wouldn't it be magic if they had a nice car entered at the event themselves - I bet their attitude would suddenly change then!!!

It's all nice and easy being a spectator. Sadly, none of those guys will ever enter a car... they don't go for that reason. And there will never be a way to fix that problem in my opinion.... it's part of the culture, and it's just a real shame there's not a much higher percentage of genuine car enthusiasts.... nothing wrong with partying hard, drinking, and watching skids... but they just go that one level more into dickhead status and think they own the place.

Edited by LXCHEV, 08 January 2008 - 10:06 AM.

[LXCHEV]

Bloody well said there Mark... now he just needs another few hundred similar letters from other entrants.

[orangeLJ]

I think taking my missus down would be dangerous.... not for her, for the blokes, one "show us ya tits" and i think she would throw some kicks and punches..... shes only a small girl, but she has a good face palm on her....

[REDA9X]

Further to what has already been discussed... I have just spoken with my son Matt who has spoken with his security company.

As stated here a few times, the main bone of contention was one group of security guards were egging people on to do illegal burnouts and the second group of security guards were obeying Chics instructions to NOT allow burnouts whilst doing laps.

Again its back to Chic who obviously needs proper advice and guidance in these matters.

Cheers
Herne

Herne, I'm sorry to say it, but after last year or was it the year before when the guy with the red LJ had his car damaged and his family terrorised while security stood by and in some cases encouraged it. I remember him posting up a letter he wrote to Chic and Chics response was average to say the least, almost suggesting that he can bring his car again but I really don't care. It seemed to be more about the money. I'm sure others will remember the letter and the posts on this forum and others. I think I'll be sticking to events like Toranafest where it's not all about the money involved. Summernats has got too big and the promotors no longer care it seems, as long as the money pours in, and it's certainly not a cheap event to attend.