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[wot179]

So ya gunna buy that yella car and complete the collection or WOT?

[wot179]

No doubt one will turn up.Plenty to do in the meantime.Cheers,Craig.

[Dr Terry]

no doc,, it was the xu-2, gmh built 3 of the suckers before thay where canned, i think thay where to use the ht prefix slr 5000 motor in them.

cheers john

John, as the others have said, the XU-2 thing has been done to death, so I shall move on.

Having said that, the HT engine prefix was for the LH 5.0-litre engine. The H part stood for LH & the T bit stood for 5.0-litre. The engine prefix for an LJ XU-1 V8 would have been 'JT' or even 'JZ' for an L34 spec engine, if they ever got to that stage. But being prototypes, they either had no engine numbers, or had QT or perhaps even 308H type prefixes.

Dr Terry.

[FLY_AGAIN_XU-1]

It is a fact that there is no such thing as a factory built * 72 bathurst XU1 * . Yes, there were cars released with normal evolution changes to homologate bits 'n pieces for racing ie : lightened flywheels , different diff ratios etc , but as far as there being a list from the factory with numbered cars on it to actually PROVE their existance , well it just does not exist or else it's been lost , so how people can claim that their car is a * bathurst * model is beyond me .

There are 4 major components in determining what a 1972 Bathurst LJ GTR XU-1 is.

1 : The 1972 C.A.M.S. Rules
2 : The 1972 C.A.M.S. Homologations
3 : The VIN DISC (The List)
4 : Research



1 : The 1972 C.A.M.S. Rules
Put simply : Holden were required to build a minimum of 200 cars to complete eligibilty or a homologation. For C.A.M.S. to accept a homologation 50% 100 cars needed to have been sold of the required minimum 200 cars. Gearbox and diff ratios required that 100 cars be built per ratio.

Some snipets of the 1972 C.A.M.S. Rules :




A required minimum of 200 cars were needed for both eligibility and homologation purposes.




A minimum of 50% 100 cars needed to have been sold of the required 200 cars before C.A.M.S would accept the new homologation.




Gearbox and diff ratios required that a 100 cars be built per ratio.




Newly homologated wheels needed to be fitted to the cars, this was also the case for track.




There are no specific rules in reguards to camshafts, flywheels or springs. Only that a required minimum of 200 basically identical units be built.



Study these, and learn them, and understand them.

There will be a test class........ 10 questions.........

Next we move on to homologations

[FLY_AGAIN_XU-1]

the only thing that fly again xu 1 is that he keeps working around the cams paper work

that dosnt mean that holden built cars to keep cams happy no offence bruce i go by holdens records

ive just started reading about the L34 and the A9X tiff, we should helping forum members not attacking them

regards aldo

Its simple Aldo, C.A.M.S. makes the rules Holden follows and yes Holden did build cars to keep C.A.M.S. happy. Holden had to follow the rules set down by C.A.M.S.
Yes we should be helping forum members not attacking them.............

Question 1 : How many 1972 LJ GTR XU-1,s did Holden build in the months of January & Febuary ?
Question 2 : Why were these cars built ?


PS : The answers to these 2 questions are on page 180 in the Fiv book................

[robj]

Hi Fly,

Yes, the first 200 of the LJ's looks fine, and you have also posted a production certificate for these first 200 in a previous post.

What would be good to see is a production certificate for the later LJ's. I don't think i have ever seen any of these posted before.

Aldo has mentioned that he has a copy of the 73 bathurst production certificate which details the mods in many pages. Maybe Aldo, you could share the first page, as it would be great to see some hard evidence rather than speculation based on the almighty vin disk numbers.

/Rob

[frash da bucket]

Hi John Gong,

There are differences on the 9/72,and compared to a different one made in a different month.I have had my bathurst special for 20 years now.The corking compound inside of the front guards and quater panels is put in by hand,you can feel the hand marks.The lips on the front and rear guards are rolled up and corking compound is behind them,to stop water and dirt and to stop them from rusting from inside out.The paint work was very thin on it when i purchased it in 1989.It was red paint over the black panels no undercoat at all.Its never had a boot mat or a tank cover,the tank is painted black,and i have left it that way.Now the interior,there is carpet on the floor,its never had under felt ever fitted,and i have left that way also.The corking compound behind the kick panels is also done by hand and smoothed off.So all of the special vehicles,i think were done in this way for lightness so they can be raced on the track.

Regards John.

[Zook]

I agree wholeheartedly with John G.

Rory, you sit back there, with your poor punctuation, shooting your mouth off at every opportunity, most times to be proven wrong shortly thereafter. Then you come back with some bullshit (rationalisation) about having been there and done that as if that was enough to justify the garbage you come up with. It�s not. LOL. Stop living in the past man!

Shame you don�t have an XU-1 now hey? You know you wish you did. Otherwise you wouldn�t keep putting shit on threads about original LCs, LJs and their owners.

You are a hypocrite when you accuse others of personal attacks. When you tell someone to �move on�, that�s a personal attack. It�s condescending and arrogant, and coming from a guy who has nothing, it�s laughable. In fact, I�m laughing now .

Caricters, TJ, Ca ric ters. Sound it out slowly and you�ll get it. Consider the context in which it is presented.

Oh, and LCs are the best!

Except if you own an HB, TA, LJ, LH, LX (got one myself actually � it�s the best), UC, GTRX, Sunbird, etc.!